I can remember the first time I started learning all of this stuff after months and months of reading forums I would go out to the clubs and start shaking my head at all the guys who didn't know what I knew. This was way before the 'Book' came out when routine based game was as hot as a new boy band and everything was secret and undetectable.
I remember in particular always seeing this black guy out talking straight up to women and thinking to myself that he has no clue. Funny thing was he always pulled women. Now these weren't 10's or even 9's, in fact most were 6's and 7's but he rarely ever failed when it came to leaving the club with a girl. Now while I was reading palms, and play fighting with women he was in the car probably making out or going home with some chick. At the time I thought his game was lame, talking straight up while looking in the girls eyes and not holding back his intentions - he got shot down a lot but he also pulled alot. Contrast that with the number of PUA gurus I've seen out in the field drinking at the bar, talking to sets and then leaving or slapping hands and saying "you guys look like fun" without much else else going on.
Don't get me wrong, I've seen plenty of PUA gurus and instructors pull and myself, I've pulled my number of women but I've never seen guys pull the way you would think they pull from reading their marketing letters, seeing their "hey take a picture with me hot girl" photos, or from their field report testimonials on a consistent basis. Have I seen gurus pull hot babes? Yes! Consistently? No! I would say I've seen average Joes outside of the community pull just as consistently as I've seen these guys. And trust me I've seen about 90 percent of the guys in everyone's top 10 list who live in the continental US. None are bad, but none have blown my mind. You have guys now talking about 'natural and direct' well honestly the most natural and direct guy I've ever seen is that older black guy I would often see at the clubs pulling girls. I wish I could find that guy.
I'll repeat this over and over again. The community is a business now. And anytime you run a business the first goal is PROFIT. I've been fortunate to have had friends who were instructors, moderators, interns, teachers etc in the business and I've seen the inside and out. I remember one (who probably wouldn't mind me typing this) of them sitting at his iMac for hours while I was playing Halo 2 in his room on his XBox and all he was doing was reading every post he could find and taking notes. He sat on that PC from like 6pm to 1am with coffee and a word editing program open and noting everything that interest him. Months later he was marketing a new breakthrough product to the community which was based on all of his notes (but wasn't marketed that way). He would get up and take breaks and say man you have to stay on top of this information and keep mouths hungry. Ironically none of his findings were thoroughly field tested.
So I guess I can say I don't know where I'm going with this. As I've said before I'm starting to wonder if guys are running out of ideas for teaching some concepts that have been processed over and over again. I never was very profitable at poker now matter much I read but most of what I've learned about the game was from sitting at an actual table and playing for hours not from watching WSOP and devouring books. This community is the same way. It's fun to talk about but the only way to really get good is to be like that black guy I mentioned and just go out and don't worry about failing.
Monday, March 2, 2009
Sunday, February 1, 2009
More from the PUA bag
I was talking to a guy online who used to moderate a few of the big name forums for PUA companies (under different names) and well you know the reason I created this blog is to show you the other side of the community that exist not to deter you from being an active participant but just to let you know that there's a lot of BS out there along with the good. The ex moderator I was talking to told me he noticed that under certain raving bootcamp reviews followed by a thanks from the instructor, the guy who took the "awesome" bootcamp had the same IP address as the instructor. If you don't know what an IP address is its the address assigned to your PC by your Internet Service provider (or router) kind of the same way your house address receives a phone nubmer from the phone company. Well it's more technical than that but in a nutshell the instructor would create a dummy account, write a great review and that was it. Unfortunately these were instructors that were clueless on how IP address work. If you're going to create a dummy account go to a coffee shop and do it. Anyway the moderator told me he never would say anything about it but it made him somewhat skeptical about some of the guys he looked up too. He no longer participates on the forums but seems to enjoy his dating life after learning everything he has learned in the years involved.
If you notice a lot of reviews are written by guys who have less than 5 post under their name? Where did they find out about the bootcamps and why weren't they active in the forums before was always my question. And where is the follow up success via field reports and lay reports? You came, you took a bootcamp, you wrote about it on the forum and now you're gone? I don't get that one.
Well you know there always comes the question of who to trust. I'm not saying I don't trust the skills of some of the gurus and instructors, I know instructors aren't teaching and getting business every weekend so sometimes those fake reviews are marketing ploys to convince you to take bootcamps. After all the real profit is in the products they sell. An ebook can be created in MS Word, edited with Adobe Acrobat and sold with very little overhead at max profit. CD's are easy to create and DVD's are coming down also. All gurus have to do is keep coming up with different ways to teach what they've been teaching for years. I find it ironic when some gurus have 6-7 different CD and DVD sets out all explaining the concepts of being alpha and have great inner game over and over. Or constantly reiterating survival and replication values. We get it already. I listen to or watch about 2-3 new products a year out of the 10 or so that come out and I find myself hearing the same things over and over again and stopping midway through the product because I'm bored or because I'v heard it already.
Get out there guys. Get out there and do this on your own. Thats how the original guys started.
Quit waiting for the next product, its not going to blow your mind, or solve your issues of approaching. As far as bootcamps, do your homework, get neutral opinions - do not get your advice from the forums of the companies you are interested in! The mod I talked to said the admin would always delete the very negative reviews at the request of the head guru of the company. A few years back me and my friends knew what clubs the bootcamps were being held after the seminars and we would show up to snoop in on the bootcamps. Sometimes we saw greatness, sometimes we saw a guy pointing to sets saying "Go talk to them, hey try them over there, good job, good job but talk louder, good job but lean back" and thats about the extent of it. Confused? You should be.
If you notice a lot of reviews are written by guys who have less than 5 post under their name? Where did they find out about the bootcamps and why weren't they active in the forums before was always my question. And where is the follow up success via field reports and lay reports? You came, you took a bootcamp, you wrote about it on the forum and now you're gone? I don't get that one.
Well you know there always comes the question of who to trust. I'm not saying I don't trust the skills of some of the gurus and instructors, I know instructors aren't teaching and getting business every weekend so sometimes those fake reviews are marketing ploys to convince you to take bootcamps. After all the real profit is in the products they sell. An ebook can be created in MS Word, edited with Adobe Acrobat and sold with very little overhead at max profit. CD's are easy to create and DVD's are coming down also. All gurus have to do is keep coming up with different ways to teach what they've been teaching for years. I find it ironic when some gurus have 6-7 different CD and DVD sets out all explaining the concepts of being alpha and have great inner game over and over. Or constantly reiterating survival and replication values. We get it already. I listen to or watch about 2-3 new products a year out of the 10 or so that come out and I find myself hearing the same things over and over again and stopping midway through the product because I'm bored or because I'v heard it already.
Get out there guys. Get out there and do this on your own. Thats how the original guys started.
Quit waiting for the next product, its not going to blow your mind, or solve your issues of approaching. As far as bootcamps, do your homework, get neutral opinions - do not get your advice from the forums of the companies you are interested in! The mod I talked to said the admin would always delete the very negative reviews at the request of the head guru of the company. A few years back me and my friends knew what clubs the bootcamps were being held after the seminars and we would show up to snoop in on the bootcamps. Sometimes we saw greatness, sometimes we saw a guy pointing to sets saying "Go talk to them, hey try them over there, good job, good job but talk louder, good job but lean back" and thats about the extent of it. Confused? You should be.
Friday, January 2, 2009
Bringing in a New Year with Natural Game
Its the new year! I haven't been posting as much. I spent some time out in Cali again to catch up with a friend during his lay off from SunMicrosystems. Seems like all my friends are getting laid off. I thought it was just me. Anyway we spent most of December catching up, going out a lot and just blowing off steam.
While out at one of the clubs I ran into an instructor/guru from one of the big name companies and kind of talked with him about how things are. He said business was a big slow as far as bootcamps are concerned. A lot of gurus want to stay in this line of work and don't want to face the reality of a normal 9 to 5 and sometimes I don't blame them. But I've seen many guys out there pump the well dry trying hard to come up with as many money making strategies as possible. Right now there's a heavy focus on "natural game" as it's become the new appeal for a lot of followers of the community. Let me tell you I've rarely seen anything natural out of most of these guys. It's still routines with a lot of ad lib off the top of the head dialog thrown in. There are some guys that are pulling it off well but many aren't. And my question is why are you going from selling structured routine game to stripping that and now selling natural game? It's like teaching karate for years then telling someone to fight free form and selling that as the new idea of the time!
I don't know about the future of the community which I spoke about in an earlier blog. Whats next or rather what will be the new thing in 2010 and beyond? 2008 and 2009 has become about Natural Game. And yet I've seen these new natural guys run game and its no different than the other guys in the bar except you straighten up your body a bit more, throw in some palm reading, teasing and eye contact to go with your casual conversations. That basically a run down of what I've seen about 4 or 5 top ranked community guys do. And don't get me wrong thats all it should be basically but do you really need to analyze it like a science and shell out 3 grand to learn it? Ask yourself that.
While out at one of the clubs I ran into an instructor/guru from one of the big name companies and kind of talked with him about how things are. He said business was a big slow as far as bootcamps are concerned. A lot of gurus want to stay in this line of work and don't want to face the reality of a normal 9 to 5 and sometimes I don't blame them. But I've seen many guys out there pump the well dry trying hard to come up with as many money making strategies as possible. Right now there's a heavy focus on "natural game" as it's become the new appeal for a lot of followers of the community. Let me tell you I've rarely seen anything natural out of most of these guys. It's still routines with a lot of ad lib off the top of the head dialog thrown in. There are some guys that are pulling it off well but many aren't. And my question is why are you going from selling structured routine game to stripping that and now selling natural game? It's like teaching karate for years then telling someone to fight free form and selling that as the new idea of the time!
I don't know about the future of the community which I spoke about in an earlier blog. Whats next or rather what will be the new thing in 2010 and beyond? 2008 and 2009 has become about Natural Game. And yet I've seen these new natural guys run game and its no different than the other guys in the bar except you straighten up your body a bit more, throw in some palm reading, teasing and eye contact to go with your casual conversations. That basically a run down of what I've seen about 4 or 5 top ranked community guys do. And don't get me wrong thats all it should be basically but do you really need to analyze it like a science and shell out 3 grand to learn it? Ask yourself that.
Friday, October 24, 2008
So what do you think about the show?
Yep I get asked that sometimes. I don't know why so many take it so serious. It's just a show for entertainment purposes as all reality shows are. It's not 100 percent staged and it's not 100 percent real either. Those participating in the show (club scenes) have to sign release forms to be filmed. They know they are being filmed they just aren't sure what its for. The writers have to put together interesting plot lines for the shows entertainment value. But otherwise it's a pretty good show but I wouldn't use it the base my game off of.
With that in mind you you have this camp who thinks the magician is a fraud, phony and a douche bag and this other camp who thinks he's Gods gift to pickup, the Elvis of the seduction community and worship him based on their perception of him or limited exposure to him.
I can say years back I used to see him out and while I can testify that he did do well in a social environment, my jaw never dropped because I've seen natural guys do just as good or better.
The best naturals I've seen are better than the best PUA gurus I've seen trust me on this.
There's a black guy I used to see out named Rick that I would put up against any guy that's in the community. He's just that good, cool, laid back, no tricks, no tactics, just solid conversation, confidence and a knack for getting what he wants.
The thing is most guys who exclaim that they were amazed when they see a true PUA in field tend to be the ones who have rarely been out in club environments and rarely have any success with women on their own. I played basketball in high school over 12 years ago, if I played today against a bunch of guys who have never bounced a ball or watched the game they will be amazed at my washed up white boy skills. I noticed the majority of guys in the worship camp are between the ages of 17 - 24, with very limited experience around women and limited social skills and night life exposure.
Most older guys and guys who have had experience with women tend to not fan the guru worship flames. My point here? There is nothing that he is doing that you guys can't do for yourself. He's only showing you a specific way to do it that fits his goals, reality and strategy but he isn't doing anything that natural guys who go out consistently aren't doing; The only difference is he's approaching more people with much more narrow goals and focus.
Anyway I think the show is fun in some ways but like I said it can be very misleading. The main thing I hope it does is put aside these limiting beliefs of what it takes to meet and date women. The one thing I hope it doesn't do is spawn more clones, idol worshipers and naive newbies who think the only way to talk to an attractive girl is by throwing negs, a false misrepresentation of yourself and feeling like you have to play value games in order to be on her level. Watch it and enjoy it but take a lot of it with a grain of salt. Remember they set these type of shows up to have winners and losers to keep the ratings up not for your educational benefit.
With that in mind you you have this camp who thinks the magician is a fraud, phony and a douche bag and this other camp who thinks he's Gods gift to pickup, the Elvis of the seduction community and worship him based on their perception of him or limited exposure to him.
I can say years back I used to see him out and while I can testify that he did do well in a social environment, my jaw never dropped because I've seen natural guys do just as good or better.
The best naturals I've seen are better than the best PUA gurus I've seen trust me on this.
There's a black guy I used to see out named Rick that I would put up against any guy that's in the community. He's just that good, cool, laid back, no tricks, no tactics, just solid conversation, confidence and a knack for getting what he wants.
The thing is most guys who exclaim that they were amazed when they see a true PUA in field tend to be the ones who have rarely been out in club environments and rarely have any success with women on their own. I played basketball in high school over 12 years ago, if I played today against a bunch of guys who have never bounced a ball or watched the game they will be amazed at my washed up white boy skills. I noticed the majority of guys in the worship camp are between the ages of 17 - 24, with very limited experience around women and limited social skills and night life exposure.
Most older guys and guys who have had experience with women tend to not fan the guru worship flames. My point here? There is nothing that he is doing that you guys can't do for yourself. He's only showing you a specific way to do it that fits his goals, reality and strategy but he isn't doing anything that natural guys who go out consistently aren't doing; The only difference is he's approaching more people with much more narrow goals and focus.
Anyway I think the show is fun in some ways but like I said it can be very misleading. The main thing I hope it does is put aside these limiting beliefs of what it takes to meet and date women. The one thing I hope it doesn't do is spawn more clones, idol worshipers and naive newbies who think the only way to talk to an attractive girl is by throwing negs, a false misrepresentation of yourself and feeling like you have to play value games in order to be on her level. Watch it and enjoy it but take a lot of it with a grain of salt. Remember they set these type of shows up to have winners and losers to keep the ratings up not for your educational benefit.
Monday, September 22, 2008
The Future of the PUA Community
I've been pondering this lately: what is the future of this community. Where will we be in 2010, 2011, 2015? Who will be the new gurus (barf to that word) and new companies to emerge?
The community has expanded since I first found out about it 8 or 9 years ago. It was actually weirder in those days but it was also cooler. Every answer wasn't solved with someone telling you to take their bootcamp or buy a product. As you know I'm tired of reading about or seeing new products month after month. $300, $400, $500, a $1000 dollar sets of 10-20 2 hour dvds and cd's. And like I said 9 times out of 10 all you need is a pair of balls and the personality to back up a desire to talk to women and be social, interesting and attractive. If I'm a big PUA business, company etc my mindset is like that of pharmaceutical companies - I don't want you to find your own cure I want to cure you and I want you to tell others they need me too and I can cure them from their 'AFC' ways. I remember arguing with a female friend who graduated with a degree in pharmacy and worked for a big name company. She loathed the idea of Americans getting any drugs from Canada or India or trying to find natural cures. She came up with rebuttals to those ideas saying they weren't safe, not FDA approved and everything else. What she was really saying is she doesn't want someone dipping in her pocket. It was the same argument I had with a former instructor who at the time argued that every guy outside of the community who isn't a natural needs this stuff and should take a bootcamp or purchase these products, otherwise his dating life will be miserable or his only option will be dating unattractive women. The truth is he wanted his customers to be successful more than anything but only because it kept money in his pocket not because he's concerned with your general dating welfare
and the quality of woman that come in and out of your life. He also had 'Guru-itis' which is the bug that hits community guys once they become instructors, they suddenly feel this god-like status come over them and their word becomes biblical in nature. God forbid you should disagree with them in a forum on a particular topic related to game. No, no, no! Ahhh the arrogance of being a community guy. The master gurus (the ones that start the companies, were mentioned in the book, or the ones that were around back in the day) feel superior to the instructors who feel superior to the guys in the forum with a thousands of post and lots of field reports (veterans) but haven't taken the plunge to be an instructor, and they feel superior to the newbies who feel superior the the AFC's and other guys outside of the community. It's one big chain reaction!
So what will the rest of 2008 and the start of 2009 bring? More products, bigger releases, super conferences with a merge of companies, higher bootcamp prices (please God don't say it's so) and the continuing of the soap opera effect: company vs company, guru vs guru, philosophy vs philosophy, dorks vs dorks arguing over it all, and a bunch of confused teenagers and men running around with their heads cut off wondering who to listen to, where to go, what to do and who to do it with.
The community has expanded since I first found out about it 8 or 9 years ago. It was actually weirder in those days but it was also cooler. Every answer wasn't solved with someone telling you to take their bootcamp or buy a product. As you know I'm tired of reading about or seeing new products month after month. $300, $400, $500, a $1000 dollar sets of 10-20 2 hour dvds and cd's. And like I said 9 times out of 10 all you need is a pair of balls and the personality to back up a desire to talk to women and be social, interesting and attractive. If I'm a big PUA business, company etc my mindset is like that of pharmaceutical companies - I don't want you to find your own cure I want to cure you and I want you to tell others they need me too and I can cure them from their 'AFC' ways. I remember arguing with a female friend who graduated with a degree in pharmacy and worked for a big name company. She loathed the idea of Americans getting any drugs from Canada or India or trying to find natural cures. She came up with rebuttals to those ideas saying they weren't safe, not FDA approved and everything else. What she was really saying is she doesn't want someone dipping in her pocket. It was the same argument I had with a former instructor who at the time argued that every guy outside of the community who isn't a natural needs this stuff and should take a bootcamp or purchase these products, otherwise his dating life will be miserable or his only option will be dating unattractive women. The truth is he wanted his customers to be successful more than anything but only because it kept money in his pocket not because he's concerned with your general dating welfare
and the quality of woman that come in and out of your life. He also had 'Guru-itis' which is the bug that hits community guys once they become instructors, they suddenly feel this god-like status come over them and their word becomes biblical in nature. God forbid you should disagree with them in a forum on a particular topic related to game. No, no, no! Ahhh the arrogance of being a community guy. The master gurus (the ones that start the companies, were mentioned in the book, or the ones that were around back in the day) feel superior to the instructors who feel superior to the guys in the forum with a thousands of post and lots of field reports (veterans) but haven't taken the plunge to be an instructor, and they feel superior to the newbies who feel superior the the AFC's and other guys outside of the community. It's one big chain reaction!
So what will the rest of 2008 and the start of 2009 bring? More products, bigger releases, super conferences with a merge of companies, higher bootcamp prices (please God don't say it's so) and the continuing of the soap opera effect: company vs company, guru vs guru, philosophy vs philosophy, dorks vs dorks arguing over it all, and a bunch of confused teenagers and men running around with their heads cut off wondering who to listen to, where to go, what to do and who to do it with.
Wednesday, September 3, 2008
Another Bootcamp review
Again I don't post names of companies to shame anyone but instead to expose a little reality on what really goes on sometimes. This one is from a guy who I talked to on the phone who emailed me his experience. He and I have been cool for about a year now and he got in the community in 2006 and saved up for his bootcamp started last December. Here was a short run down of his experience.
"Man I read all of the hype of how this was going to change my life and my perspective and everything else. That's what guys on the forum were saying so I had more than enough saved up and said what the hell. Mind you I have pulled women so I wasn't a newbie or a virgin. The other guy that took the bootcamp was a 22 year old virgin who had never really gone out. Of course his experience was going to be good but mine - well I'm 29 and have been laid about 15 times in my lifetime. My instructor wasn't all that great. Don't get me wrong he was cool and for the most part we hung out and he had us go into sets with a few natural openers and I got some good responses and socialized with about 5 out of 8 sets. The other sets I was pretty much shut out after a 10 second introduction. But the ones I did open it was pretty much vibing and nothing else. I did get two numbers but it won't do me much good because I flew in for my bootcamp. I never saw much from the instructor except him saying that I'm doing pretty good and I just need to lean back a little more, and relax more and that one chick was into me but I didn't catch on. He did 2 demos at each club we went to but it was nothing but him entering, getting hello's, and then a cool exit. He never escalated or anything. I have to say the feedback was decent but after the bootcamp was over I kept thinking of better things I could've done with the 3 grand I spent on everything. I give my bootcamp a 2 out of 5 stars. Had it been $500 I would've given in 4 out of 5 stars but the value and what I learned doesn't match the cost in my opinion."
So far over the last two years I've talked to 12 guys who've taken bootcamps with various companies. 4 out of those 12 have great experiences. Another 3 had decent experiences but felt it was a bit too expensive for what they got out of it and 5 had horrible experiences with reactions like "this was a waste for me!" Do your homework.
"Man I read all of the hype of how this was going to change my life and my perspective and everything else. That's what guys on the forum were saying so I had more than enough saved up and said what the hell. Mind you I have pulled women so I wasn't a newbie or a virgin. The other guy that took the bootcamp was a 22 year old virgin who had never really gone out. Of course his experience was going to be good but mine - well I'm 29 and have been laid about 15 times in my lifetime. My instructor wasn't all that great. Don't get me wrong he was cool and for the most part we hung out and he had us go into sets with a few natural openers and I got some good responses and socialized with about 5 out of 8 sets. The other sets I was pretty much shut out after a 10 second introduction. But the ones I did open it was pretty much vibing and nothing else. I did get two numbers but it won't do me much good because I flew in for my bootcamp. I never saw much from the instructor except him saying that I'm doing pretty good and I just need to lean back a little more, and relax more and that one chick was into me but I didn't catch on. He did 2 demos at each club we went to but it was nothing but him entering, getting hello's, and then a cool exit. He never escalated or anything. I have to say the feedback was decent but after the bootcamp was over I kept thinking of better things I could've done with the 3 grand I spent on everything. I give my bootcamp a 2 out of 5 stars. Had it been $500 I would've given in 4 out of 5 stars but the value and what I learned doesn't match the cost in my opinion."
So far over the last two years I've talked to 12 guys who've taken bootcamps with various companies. 4 out of those 12 have great experiences. Another 3 had decent experiences but felt it was a bit too expensive for what they got out of it and 5 had horrible experiences with reactions like "this was a waste for me!" Do your homework.
Monday, September 1, 2008
My Community Rant READ!!
I wrote this awhile back but bumped it up because there are so many truths to it that I want people to understand.
Okay so I don't want this blog to be nothing but a rant of me mocking the community but I do want to share the things I know or have discovered or just simply things that are annoying about the PUA community. I've been around a few dozen guys from community from ex-instructors, gurus, regular scene guys and the likes. I've had the opportunity to travel to London, Los Angeles, NY, San Fran, Miami, Toronto and other places because of my enthusiasm and desire to learn not to mention having a dad that was willing to pay for me to travel around.
For starters I won't call out anyone or any company. I'm not going to do damage to their reputation but at the same time I'm not going to endorse anyone or their company. The fact is there are some companies and guys teaching the business that have no business doing so which leads to my first and biggest rant and that's guys that jumped in this to milk the cash cow. In the years since I left and rejoined the community I will expose several things I've either witnessed first hand, heard from a good friend who was there or heard from an ex-instructor no longer around:
1) Hanging out against the bar or wall sipping a drink and talking to a buddy, opening maybe 1 or 2 girls and then going home after a few hours.
2) doing set demo's with less attractive, easy girls who already showed a bit of interest
3) making up field reports and bootcamp reports under different aliases to inspire business (ever notice that 90 percent of the bootcamp feedback is guys with only 1 or 2 post? Were they never apart of the forum before the bootcamp? Why don't they tell us their progress after the bootcamp or continue posting in forums?)
4) Giving overlong seminars, then taking guys out and pushing them into sets without demo'ing a set themselves. Instead they sit back with observations: "that was good, you did well, you just need to lean back a little" Several coaches I know who aren't dating will tell their students that they have a girlfriend so it gets them out of doing nothing more in a demo set than a introduction.
5) Fake sets! This was from a former instructor who said that yes some companies will actually pay girls before hand to make a students set go easier. The company has a relationship with a few girls outside of the company and pays them (or gets them free drinks or whatever) to interact positively with a student during a bootcamp.
6) Fake infield hidden cameras dvd's or audio. See above.
7) posing with women for added value. Yep I did it too! Posing with attractive women and showing it off to others saying 'yeah this girl was into me but she was psycho so I stopped calling her and...' I've seen almost every PUA do this including the most famous of them.
Okay so that's my main rant and that's why I said previously that some of these guys aren't any good. They aren't bad but they aren't the Gods that people on the forums make them out to be.
The guru worship is a bit redundant as well as the guru hate. Neither is deserved. I realize there are guys who don't get laid so any information to them is like placing a dumbell in a skinny guys hand and telling him to curl it repetiously. But you know I realized even before the community that going out and actually having a conversation with women solves 1/4 of your problems and I don't want to hear the 'Thats what AFC's do' excuse because it's a lame excuse. WTF is an AFC anyway and why do guys who've been around for 3-6 months feel like they are so much better than them? And as far as some of the so called 'gurus' well I've seen some of these guys and some of them are train wrecks. Would you want some guys giving you relationship advice who have never been in a relationship longer than 1 year? Yes some of these guys are good at gaining interest and attraction and notice I said some not all, but many have deeper issues that lie outside of pickup theory and practice.
So that's my community rant. It is what it is. I've seen the good and the bad and it's not as great as it seems and it's not as bad as it seems, just somewhere in between.
Okay so I don't want this blog to be nothing but a rant of me mocking the community but I do want to share the things I know or have discovered or just simply things that are annoying about the PUA community. I've been around a few dozen guys from community from ex-instructors, gurus, regular scene guys and the likes. I've had the opportunity to travel to London, Los Angeles, NY, San Fran, Miami, Toronto and other places because of my enthusiasm and desire to learn not to mention having a dad that was willing to pay for me to travel around.
For starters I won't call out anyone or any company. I'm not going to do damage to their reputation but at the same time I'm not going to endorse anyone or their company. The fact is there are some companies and guys teaching the business that have no business doing so which leads to my first and biggest rant and that's guys that jumped in this to milk the cash cow. In the years since I left and rejoined the community I will expose several things I've either witnessed first hand, heard from a good friend who was there or heard from an ex-instructor no longer around:
1) Hanging out against the bar or wall sipping a drink and talking to a buddy, opening maybe 1 or 2 girls and then going home after a few hours.
2) doing set demo's with less attractive, easy girls who already showed a bit of interest
3) making up field reports and bootcamp reports under different aliases to inspire business (ever notice that 90 percent of the bootcamp feedback is guys with only 1 or 2 post? Were they never apart of the forum before the bootcamp? Why don't they tell us their progress after the bootcamp or continue posting in forums?)
4) Giving overlong seminars, then taking guys out and pushing them into sets without demo'ing a set themselves. Instead they sit back with observations: "that was good, you did well, you just need to lean back a little" Several coaches I know who aren't dating will tell their students that they have a girlfriend so it gets them out of doing nothing more in a demo set than a introduction.
5) Fake sets! This was from a former instructor who said that yes some companies will actually pay girls before hand to make a students set go easier. The company has a relationship with a few girls outside of the company and pays them (or gets them free drinks or whatever) to interact positively with a student during a bootcamp.
6) Fake infield hidden cameras dvd's or audio. See above.
7) posing with women for added value. Yep I did it too! Posing with attractive women and showing it off to others saying 'yeah this girl was into me but she was psycho so I stopped calling her and...' I've seen almost every PUA do this including the most famous of them.
Okay so that's my main rant and that's why I said previously that some of these guys aren't any good. They aren't bad but they aren't the Gods that people on the forums make them out to be.
The guru worship is a bit redundant as well as the guru hate. Neither is deserved. I realize there are guys who don't get laid so any information to them is like placing a dumbell in a skinny guys hand and telling him to curl it repetiously. But you know I realized even before the community that going out and actually having a conversation with women solves 1/4 of your problems and I don't want to hear the 'Thats what AFC's do' excuse because it's a lame excuse. WTF is an AFC anyway and why do guys who've been around for 3-6 months feel like they are so much better than them? And as far as some of the so called 'gurus' well I've seen some of these guys and some of them are train wrecks. Would you want some guys giving you relationship advice who have never been in a relationship longer than 1 year? Yes some of these guys are good at gaining interest and attraction and notice I said some not all, but many have deeper issues that lie outside of pickup theory and practice.
So that's my community rant. It is what it is. I've seen the good and the bad and it's not as great as it seems and it's not as bad as it seems, just somewhere in between.
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