Alright so there are a few things about the community that turn me off or make me realize that many guys have a long way to go. Anyway I have a tendency to repeat myself so if I do just ignore it. So here are my biggest pet peeves about the community:
1) Hero worship - Grrrrrr!!! PUA's are not messiahs. They fail! They are human. They sometimes bang less than desirable women. They go nights without approaching. I've seen the majority of them and I admire some of their teachings but I've seen their flaws. You would be surprised! Get off your knees and stop worshiping them. If you're 13-17 it's understandable. If you're 18-24 and still a virgin I can see that. If you're 25 and older and you're worshiping PUA's we need to talk. Also remember that what is preached and works for some gurus doesn't mean it's going to work for you.
2) Player hating! Just as bad as hero worshipping is the guy that hates so and so, thinks his teaching is garbage because it doesn't work for him, jock rides one company and flames another,
worships one guru and scoffs at the others, etc.
3) Rejecting the mainstream: I'll never forget a well respected Ivy league PHD graduate putting out a book about women and a few community guys blasting it by saying that the information contradicts community advice or master guru whoever's theory. I think the IQ level of several community guys dropped a bit on that thought. Just because an article or book was written by someone who isn't a guru or hasn't approached 100,000 sets doesn't mean it isn't worthy, valid or true. I don't think these people got their PHD's at Harvard just sitting around thinking up shit and writing books about it. ' AFC scientist who doesn't get laid is saying that people with similar attributes tend to be attracted to each other and blah, blah, blah' this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, etc. Bullshit, shut up please! Yes there are plenty of paper professors, columnist and speakers who don't understand dating dynamics but I can honestly say there are plenty of so called gurus I've seen who have trouble pulling women and the only ones that manage to pull are drunk sleazy types who would respond to any stimulus.
4) Judging others taste. This my friends is complete bullshit! What you like and what I like aren't the same. One of the best naturals I have ever met, in fact he'd put most of the community guys to shame, is an older black guy who is attracted to mainly tall, amazon like white women with big hips and big butts. He has a weakness for them. To me they are too big and chunky ( I've noticed a lot of black men like bigger women ), I tend to like thin Asian and white girls but I can't fault him because I have seen him pull a 10 that I would go for just for the simple fact that he can. We are too caught up in others opinions to value what we're attracted too. I know one guy who left the community because of that bullshit. He said he got tired of admitting that he liked nerdy girls who weren't model looking or even close but he was attracted to them. The black guy I had mentioned would own most of these guys who ridicule his taste in females! I think we can all agree that Miss Universe pageant contestants are beautiful but that doesn't everyone of us will be sexually interested in those types.
5) Stupid questions and Stupid Answers. Grrrrrr!!! She said this, what do I say next? I said hello to this girl and - "Don't say hello its what AFC's do!" I negged her and she didn't respond what is next? "You shouldn't take her to dinner, she will never be attracted to you now"
I can go forever with this. You get the picture though its the robotic questions and it's the guy who responds with text book answers. BS! Learn to socialize first, it will make things so much easier.
6) Product reliance. In another post I titled products, products, products I talked about a friend who had just about every product known to man yet is success wasn't that much greater than another friend who read forums and an ebook or two. When you rely on products and you're begging for more product it tells me that either you love information or you aren't approaching as many woman as you can and you feel that more products will solve what you're looking for.
Tuesday, August 12, 2008
Friday, August 8, 2008
favorite quote from an Instructor
This is my favorite quote from an instructor I hung out with the other day
"It's funny that most of the guys in the community refer to most of the guys outside of the community as AFC's when I've found that a majority of guys in the community suck and I'd actually rather hang out with guys outside of the community because tend to be more grounded"
Yep I've found the same thing in having those guys you meet who say they are in the community and you hang out with them for a night and usually one or two things happen a) they are too scared to even say hello to a woman or b) they try to sarge everything including the cat and throw out way too many unnecessary 'negs' and try to be uber cool.
I think there's this pressure on guys when you meet them and you both know you're in the community to prove yourself to not look like a chump or whatever. Personally I don't give a damn. I'll sit there at the bar drinking Jack and Cokes and talking up a guy while watching babes go by and he'll keep saying "did you see her?" "Why didn't you talk to that one?" Why? Because I don't have too that's why. I'm not at a job, I'm not being scored and I'm not on a mission. When I want to game I game and when I don't I just sit back and chill.
So stop being weird, stop thinking that because you're in this community you know more about women than every other guy that's not in the community, it's okay to help your fellow man but if he doesn't want to have a flock of women or whatever then don't berate him for it - get out of that elitist mindset of us vs them, PUA vs AFC world or whatever dungeons and dragon jargon you have floating around in your head.
"It's funny that most of the guys in the community refer to most of the guys outside of the community as AFC's when I've found that a majority of guys in the community suck and I'd actually rather hang out with guys outside of the community because tend to be more grounded"
Yep I've found the same thing in having those guys you meet who say they are in the community and you hang out with them for a night and usually one or two things happen a) they are too scared to even say hello to a woman or b) they try to sarge everything including the cat and throw out way too many unnecessary 'negs' and try to be uber cool.
I think there's this pressure on guys when you meet them and you both know you're in the community to prove yourself to not look like a chump or whatever. Personally I don't give a damn. I'll sit there at the bar drinking Jack and Cokes and talking up a guy while watching babes go by and he'll keep saying "did you see her?" "Why didn't you talk to that one?" Why? Because I don't have too that's why. I'm not at a job, I'm not being scored and I'm not on a mission. When I want to game I game and when I don't I just sit back and chill.
So stop being weird, stop thinking that because you're in this community you know more about women than every other guy that's not in the community, it's okay to help your fellow man but if he doesn't want to have a flock of women or whatever then don't berate him for it - get out of that elitist mindset of us vs them, PUA vs AFC world or whatever dungeons and dragon jargon you have floating around in your head.
Friday, August 1, 2008
are you a candidate for greatness?
Whats makes one a candidate for mPUA / Guru or Natural status? I was thinking about this one night when I watched this guy out laughing and having everyone else around him entertained. While I didn't see him pull any babes I couldn't help but to notice how entertaining and fun he was and it made me realize that some guys are suited for greatness more than others. It's just like some guys being suited more to play college level or professional sports than other guys or any other walk of life. So when it comes to pickup here is what I think is a criteria for a person to become great:
1) Charisma (personality)
2) humor
3) courage
Thats it! Yep that about wraps up the things that are the criteria for being great. You confidence, and all of those other things can be worked on a grow but I've noticed guys with robotic/bland personalities and poor humor do poorly in this field. A guy I went to high schoool with was tall, well built and decent looking but he was the most boring, bland guy you'd ever meet. Granted he pulled his share of girlfriends but he always got dumped and when I would ask the girls why they'd say "he was boring, he never had anything to talk about, his jokes were awful" and so on. On the contrary one of my community friends was a class clown like someone who was a Saturday Night Live reject but still funny and had a good personality to say the least. He did very well with women when he discovered the community but he wasn't active that much in the community, instead he was always out and around town meeting women, going on dates and such. Humor and charisma are huge! Courage is just balls but guys with balls also do well yet you can't have balls and be fearless when it comes to talking to women if you don't have anything to say or no sense of humor.
Like I said the other things you can learn and gain in time: confidence, intrigue, rapport skills etc but if you want to be on top you have to have a personality to begin with.
1) Charisma (personality)
2) humor
3) courage
Thats it! Yep that about wraps up the things that are the criteria for being great. You confidence, and all of those other things can be worked on a grow but I've noticed guys with robotic/bland personalities and poor humor do poorly in this field. A guy I went to high schoool with was tall, well built and decent looking but he was the most boring, bland guy you'd ever meet. Granted he pulled his share of girlfriends but he always got dumped and when I would ask the girls why they'd say "he was boring, he never had anything to talk about, his jokes were awful" and so on. On the contrary one of my community friends was a class clown like someone who was a Saturday Night Live reject but still funny and had a good personality to say the least. He did very well with women when he discovered the community but he wasn't active that much in the community, instead he was always out and around town meeting women, going on dates and such. Humor and charisma are huge! Courage is just balls but guys with balls also do well yet you can't have balls and be fearless when it comes to talking to women if you don't have anything to say or no sense of humor.
Like I said the other things you can learn and gain in time: confidence, intrigue, rapport skills etc but if you want to be on top you have to have a personality to begin with.
Monday, July 28, 2008
Products, products, products
I have a friend who sort of acts as my drug dealer. Well no I don't do drugs, at least not anymore but he keeps me well up to date on the latest products in the community and what he thinks. I swear this guy has every single dvd, cd, ebook, presentation and whatever else that has come out from all of the pua companies, gurus, and what not. Here's the funny thing though and even he'll admit it - he rarely hooks up with women. Not by choice but that's just the way it is. He's been in the community since the end of 06, took his bootcamp sometime in 07, and has been a community product collector since that time yet I've only seen a marginal increase in his game from 06 till now. He describes himself as an information junky and trust me the community supplies us with enough junk to cause us to overdose. The last thing most people need is another PUA product yet companies will find a way to push out something 'new' and something that 'has never been seen before' and something 99 percent of the men in this world don't know about something that will skyrocket your game, shall I keep going? You know the pitch. And I shake my head to the guy who has 400+ forum post but no fuck closes. And there are plenty out there. A lot of these guys are seen as the authority and when they review products people take their word for it. 'Simply put the best product on the market today!' How do you know when you don't even have any closes? Between 1998-2002 I had 85 closes from meeting all the way to sex and this was girls outside of my immediate social circle. This was before products and tons of theory. Back then it was trial and error, not a lot of thinking involved or a head full of theory.
There was a lot of hitting up clubs, malls, department stores etc and going for broke.
There was less approach anxiety also. We really didn't know what that was. Now it's like you have to have the right theory in your head or opening routine to go in and start talking. Back then it was basically 'Whats up!!" In a high energy manner in the bars or a low key "hey, whats up in the day time"
95 percent of community releases are rehashes, useless information or can be found free on forums, boards and from podcast. The other 5 percent is actually something that might be worthy of a look, read or listen. But it's like shuffling through a large box of hundreds of bowling balls to find the right one to fit you. Yep what may be good for you may not be good for the guy next to you. I can't tell you how many times I've read 'best product ever! Totally blew me away!' only to check it out myself and find it practically useless. Warning to self: never take advice from a 20 year old virgin who is fascinated with the latest greatest PUA products.
Imagine this. You're team gets a new coach and your friend is the new unseasoned quarterback and he comes to you and you say 'how is the new coach' and he says 'man this is the best offense ever!!' and 5 games into the season you've rarely scored any touchdowns. You see what I mean?
We're seeing a big release every 3 to 6 months. They're becoming like blockbuster movies. I can hardly wait till PUA products have trailers at the beginning for the next big thing! Hell I can hardly wait till Will Smith signs a deal with a PUA company to star in the next big release. That's kind of funny but I did hear a guru once say wouldn't it be cool if we had a celebrity of some sort to endorse us! And that was months before that overrated but entertaining television show on VH1 came out. Most of you guys don't need to watch or listen to anymore products. You just need a ton and I do mean a ton of practice. Get a good friend and go out weekend after weekend and make female friends and acquaintances and don't even focus on the pickup. Meet, greet, bounce to different spots, go to some unknown guys after hour party, go to Dennys, exchange numbers, start conversations, you know just go do it!
There was a lot of hitting up clubs, malls, department stores etc and going for broke.
There was less approach anxiety also. We really didn't know what that was. Now it's like you have to have the right theory in your head or opening routine to go in and start talking. Back then it was basically 'Whats up!!" In a high energy manner in the bars or a low key "hey, whats up in the day time"
95 percent of community releases are rehashes, useless information or can be found free on forums, boards and from podcast. The other 5 percent is actually something that might be worthy of a look, read or listen. But it's like shuffling through a large box of hundreds of bowling balls to find the right one to fit you. Yep what may be good for you may not be good for the guy next to you. I can't tell you how many times I've read 'best product ever! Totally blew me away!' only to check it out myself and find it practically useless. Warning to self: never take advice from a 20 year old virgin who is fascinated with the latest greatest PUA products.
Imagine this. You're team gets a new coach and your friend is the new unseasoned quarterback and he comes to you and you say 'how is the new coach' and he says 'man this is the best offense ever!!' and 5 games into the season you've rarely scored any touchdowns. You see what I mean?
We're seeing a big release every 3 to 6 months. They're becoming like blockbuster movies. I can hardly wait till PUA products have trailers at the beginning for the next big thing! Hell I can hardly wait till Will Smith signs a deal with a PUA company to star in the next big release. That's kind of funny but I did hear a guru once say wouldn't it be cool if we had a celebrity of some sort to endorse us! And that was months before that overrated but entertaining television show on VH1 came out. Most of you guys don't need to watch or listen to anymore products. You just need a ton and I do mean a ton of practice. Get a good friend and go out weekend after weekend and make female friends and acquaintances and don't even focus on the pickup. Meet, greet, bounce to different spots, go to some unknown guys after hour party, go to Dennys, exchange numbers, start conversations, you know just go do it!
Wednesday, July 23, 2008
quotes from a PUA guru, and an ex girlfriend
I was thinking back to the community and some of the guys say that sometimes I'm too harsh on it because when the bs clears they are being helped by these guys and their game is so much better than their AFC days and I agree but hey there's a ton of free resources for the guys who don't have the $479 for DVD's or $2500 for bootcamp. There's Pickup Podcast which I recently discovered a few months back and there's tons of forums, blogs and everything else. I personally like Pickup Podcast and Fastseduction.com because they are more central and not geared to one company or another. Seduction Chronicles is good to read also. The guy on that site does a good job to stay in the middle and not lean towards one side or the other.
Anyway back in '07 I was having a conversation with a very well known PUA. I was sitting there in the club sipping my Captain Morgan and pepsi and he was downing his soda and he was asking why I wasn't trying to be an instructor and I told him I just didn't feel like taking guys all over and teaching them how to pickup women. It wasn't my passion. And he leaned over to me and said "dude this is big business, there is money to be made here and if you don't get your piece of the pie then someone else will" Now I don't remember the whole conversation obviously but I do remember some of the things he said which hold true till this day.
Some memorable conversation pieces from that night:
"I never want to go back to a 9 to 5, if I have to push products and encourage bootcamps I will but this is the life for me!"
"We want to push this more mainstream. Who cares what the public thinks, who cares if someone gets called out, the more this is mainstream the more guys will look for us and the more business they bring in. Fuck that underground shit thats so 2000 we are fucking stars man and this is one its way to being a multimillion dollar industry!"
"Dude do you think Nortons and McAfee and whoever else wants there to be no more computer viruses? If everything ran smoothly those companies would go under! There needs to be viruses or the potential threat of possible viruses for those companies to stay afloat. We have to keep taking this to the next level, in our case we want more AFC's in the world so we can reach out to them and help them and keep business flowing"
"he doesn't get laid that much but he's a good instructor, man you know sometimes it isn't about who is getting the women its about whether he can explain our technology and teach it to some guy who doesn't get women and pickup"
That was what stood out to me in our conversation. Some guys go on and on about these gurus
wanting to be rich and make money. Hey I want to be rich and make money also so I don't fault that but at what expense? Some of these companies and coaches have a conveyor belt mentality of get them in, get paid and ship them out the door. And there are plenty who have the celebrity mindset of wanting to be known and wanting some claim to fame. Trust me when you get a big named PUA sloshed up on a little alcohol and the truth starts to come out you hear things that make you do a double take! The truth is I could've easily been an instructor. I've ran game so much better than 50 percent of the instructors I've seen in the field and in all honesty I'm not really that great. But you don't have to be great to pickup women. You just have to be on that night in that moment. It all has to click.
Now for your entertainment pleasure this was from a conversation with an ex of a former instructor guru of one of the big four or five companies out there. I ran into her at a Starbucks one evening and I knew her from when the two of them dated for a good 3 months we exchanged emails and this is what she wrote about the super PUA guru:
"he kept asking me to go out with him in a joking manner after I wouldn't return his calls and finally I did and he started out cool but sexually he was bad and so that was a turn off for me. I'll let it go for a few weeks but it was every time we had sex he had problems getting it up and when he did he'd lose it way to fast or come way to fast. After I broke up with him he would drive by my apartment at like 3 or 4 in the morning and it was freaking me out. He would also send me these emails about how he's good with women and he teaches guys how to be better men with women and who he knows and has been out with, it was rather pathetic but thats when I found out about this pickup stuff, I never knew he was involved and I didn't mind except for him bragging or begging me to go out when he's supposed to be good with women"
Just goes to show that not all of your gurus are seduction artist. And now you understand why I wont name names either. Have a good one.
Anyway back in '07 I was having a conversation with a very well known PUA. I was sitting there in the club sipping my Captain Morgan and pepsi and he was downing his soda and he was asking why I wasn't trying to be an instructor and I told him I just didn't feel like taking guys all over and teaching them how to pickup women. It wasn't my passion. And he leaned over to me and said "dude this is big business, there is money to be made here and if you don't get your piece of the pie then someone else will" Now I don't remember the whole conversation obviously but I do remember some of the things he said which hold true till this day.
Some memorable conversation pieces from that night:
"I never want to go back to a 9 to 5, if I have to push products and encourage bootcamps I will but this is the life for me!"
"We want to push this more mainstream. Who cares what the public thinks, who cares if someone gets called out, the more this is mainstream the more guys will look for us and the more business they bring in. Fuck that underground shit thats so 2000 we are fucking stars man and this is one its way to being a multimillion dollar industry!"
"Dude do you think Nortons and McAfee and whoever else wants there to be no more computer viruses? If everything ran smoothly those companies would go under! There needs to be viruses or the potential threat of possible viruses for those companies to stay afloat. We have to keep taking this to the next level, in our case we want more AFC's in the world so we can reach out to them and help them and keep business flowing"
"he doesn't get laid that much but he's a good instructor, man you know sometimes it isn't about who is getting the women its about whether he can explain our technology and teach it to some guy who doesn't get women and pickup"
That was what stood out to me in our conversation. Some guys go on and on about these gurus
wanting to be rich and make money. Hey I want to be rich and make money also so I don't fault that but at what expense? Some of these companies and coaches have a conveyor belt mentality of get them in, get paid and ship them out the door. And there are plenty who have the celebrity mindset of wanting to be known and wanting some claim to fame. Trust me when you get a big named PUA sloshed up on a little alcohol and the truth starts to come out you hear things that make you do a double take! The truth is I could've easily been an instructor. I've ran game so much better than 50 percent of the instructors I've seen in the field and in all honesty I'm not really that great. But you don't have to be great to pickup women. You just have to be on that night in that moment. It all has to click.
Now for your entertainment pleasure this was from a conversation with an ex of a former instructor guru of one of the big four or five companies out there. I ran into her at a Starbucks one evening and I knew her from when the two of them dated for a good 3 months we exchanged emails and this is what she wrote about the super PUA guru:
"he kept asking me to go out with him in a joking manner after I wouldn't return his calls and finally I did and he started out cool but sexually he was bad and so that was a turn off for me. I'll let it go for a few weeks but it was every time we had sex he had problems getting it up and when he did he'd lose it way to fast or come way to fast. After I broke up with him he would drive by my apartment at like 3 or 4 in the morning and it was freaking me out. He would also send me these emails about how he's good with women and he teaches guys how to be better men with women and who he knows and has been out with, it was rather pathetic but thats when I found out about this pickup stuff, I never knew he was involved and I didn't mind except for him bragging or begging me to go out when he's supposed to be good with women"
Just goes to show that not all of your gurus are seduction artist. And now you understand why I wont name names either. Have a good one.
Who are the top PUA's really?
I know you've heard it many times that so and so is the best ever! Or that so and so sucks. The debates go on and on and the thing is most of you will never know or find out. I personally have had the liberty of seeing most of the so called top gurus on the West Coast and Canada and have friends across the US and in Europe that I talk to occasionally that tell me about the guys they've seen in clubs that are well known or not so well known.
Here's the reality: some of your top gurus, if you saw them in the field you would scratch your head wondering what the hype was about. I would say out of 20 of your top well known PUA's about half of them are substance and the rest are hype and I may be pushing it by stating half.
Now when I say hype I don't mean they don't have game at all, I'm just saying don't expect anything spectacular, in fact don't expect anything greater than what your normal natural in the club pulls off. If you have a personality, a set of balls and the ability to carry on a conversation trust me you could pull off what 50 to 75 percent of your top so called gurus pull off on a weekly basis. I think you should reread that statement a few times.
The reason why you don't believe this is because we have a community filled with 20 year old virgin fans of certain gurus who give these gurus superpowers that most of us don't think we can achieve. And we're sold this plethora of material and ideas on which the gurus supposedly have labored around. I've seen gurus lay out tactics like a game of chess and do nothing in field but get a few girls laughing and smiling before ejecting. I've seen some gurus take the high and spiritual road talking about strange out of body New Age concepts that's supposed to enlighten you and put you above the superficial, material or that which exist in your mind. Ironically I've also seen some of these guys out and their game is non-existent but of course they are on another planet and the women don't understand. Sad to say I even know some guys who use sets with girls they already know and have had intimate connections to pretend that they just cold opened a new set and showed guys how well the interaction went during a bootcamp.
But hey it all sells. You're on a forum with a ton of 17-22 year olds who have never been on a date, some have never kissed a girl, never slept with a girl etc so you find the community and you find a Guru from a popular company and everything he tells you sounds like the Holy Grail of solving your problems. And it's not to say that this guru doesn't have good intentions, or isn't a good teacher but (and pay attention to this) if you were to actually see a majority of these guys out in the bars and clubs you would realize the only difference between them and the rest of the club crowd (that includes you ) is that they go out of their way to talk to girls in contrast to the 80 percent of guys who don't or who only do when their drunk. This is considering that they do approach there is a good amount of well known community PUA's that rarely approach or they approach the easiest targets (I hate that term) in the club.
I remember seeing one particular well respected guru out and he never approached. He just stood back and observed like a guy at a bar who leans against the bar, orders drinks and hangs in the background. Every time an attractive girl came by he'd smile and say hi, or he'd ask a question about her dress or ask if she's having a good night and nothing more. Yet I've heard him in an interview talk about approaching sets, owning the club, being a man of action, being unreactive and everything else. There's another popular guru who does approach but says the most supplicating shit trying to win the girl over by telling her things that a chumps says yet I wouldn't say it to his face because this particular guy is a well known AMOG and will even threaten you physically. I've actually seen him push guys out of a set or grab them and AMOG the shit out of him.
Here's something that intrigues me sometimes: Why are there many gurus who decline to shoot infield footage? And some who do shoot staged footage. Why is it staged? Well what better way to generate business than to show your product in action with a girl who's paid willing to shoot a few minutes of footage showing you having a great interaction with her? After all would you buy or follow a company if they showed nothing but instructors or such getting rejection after rejection or just getting a hello, smile and goodbye? Of course not. Remember this is big business, 2001 seemed like a long time ago! Every guru has to live up to the hype of their advertising and the substance of their DVD and CD seminar or theory. No one wants to get exposed. I've seen plenty of these guys and there's a reason that many aren't coming out behind closed curtains. I wouldn't either if I can continue selling you ideas, theory and such.
That doesn't answer your question does it? Who are the top PUA's? It's not enough to say who cares because you're paying big money or devoted quality time following some of these guys. So ask yourself this: who has done the most to improve your game? That's who the top PUA is. It's the person who has helped you evolve the most. I could care less how much a particular guru gets laid, or the pictures he's shot with 4 girls around him, or how cool he looks, or tv shows, magazine articles etc - if it's done nothing to help you improve it doesn't mean much at all.
Here's the reality: some of your top gurus, if you saw them in the field you would scratch your head wondering what the hype was about. I would say out of 20 of your top well known PUA's about half of them are substance and the rest are hype and I may be pushing it by stating half.
Now when I say hype I don't mean they don't have game at all, I'm just saying don't expect anything spectacular, in fact don't expect anything greater than what your normal natural in the club pulls off. If you have a personality, a set of balls and the ability to carry on a conversation trust me you could pull off what 50 to 75 percent of your top so called gurus pull off on a weekly basis. I think you should reread that statement a few times.
The reason why you don't believe this is because we have a community filled with 20 year old virgin fans of certain gurus who give these gurus superpowers that most of us don't think we can achieve. And we're sold this plethora of material and ideas on which the gurus supposedly have labored around. I've seen gurus lay out tactics like a game of chess and do nothing in field but get a few girls laughing and smiling before ejecting. I've seen some gurus take the high and spiritual road talking about strange out of body New Age concepts that's supposed to enlighten you and put you above the superficial, material or that which exist in your mind. Ironically I've also seen some of these guys out and their game is non-existent but of course they are on another planet and the women don't understand. Sad to say I even know some guys who use sets with girls they already know and have had intimate connections to pretend that they just cold opened a new set and showed guys how well the interaction went during a bootcamp.
But hey it all sells. You're on a forum with a ton of 17-22 year olds who have never been on a date, some have never kissed a girl, never slept with a girl etc so you find the community and you find a Guru from a popular company and everything he tells you sounds like the Holy Grail of solving your problems. And it's not to say that this guru doesn't have good intentions, or isn't a good teacher but (and pay attention to this) if you were to actually see a majority of these guys out in the bars and clubs you would realize the only difference between them and the rest of the club crowd (that includes you ) is that they go out of their way to talk to girls in contrast to the 80 percent of guys who don't or who only do when their drunk. This is considering that they do approach there is a good amount of well known community PUA's that rarely approach or they approach the easiest targets (I hate that term) in the club.
I remember seeing one particular well respected guru out and he never approached. He just stood back and observed like a guy at a bar who leans against the bar, orders drinks and hangs in the background. Every time an attractive girl came by he'd smile and say hi, or he'd ask a question about her dress or ask if she's having a good night and nothing more. Yet I've heard him in an interview talk about approaching sets, owning the club, being a man of action, being unreactive and everything else. There's another popular guru who does approach but says the most supplicating shit trying to win the girl over by telling her things that a chumps says yet I wouldn't say it to his face because this particular guy is a well known AMOG and will even threaten you physically. I've actually seen him push guys out of a set or grab them and AMOG the shit out of him.
Here's something that intrigues me sometimes: Why are there many gurus who decline to shoot infield footage? And some who do shoot staged footage. Why is it staged? Well what better way to generate business than to show your product in action with a girl who's paid willing to shoot a few minutes of footage showing you having a great interaction with her? After all would you buy or follow a company if they showed nothing but instructors or such getting rejection after rejection or just getting a hello, smile and goodbye? Of course not. Remember this is big business, 2001 seemed like a long time ago! Every guru has to live up to the hype of their advertising and the substance of their DVD and CD seminar or theory. No one wants to get exposed. I've seen plenty of these guys and there's a reason that many aren't coming out behind closed curtains. I wouldn't either if I can continue selling you ideas, theory and such.
That doesn't answer your question does it? Who are the top PUA's? It's not enough to say who cares because you're paying big money or devoted quality time following some of these guys. So ask yourself this: who has done the most to improve your game? That's who the top PUA is. It's the person who has helped you evolve the most. I could care less how much a particular guru gets laid, or the pictures he's shot with 4 girls around him, or how cool he looks, or tv shows, magazine articles etc - if it's done nothing to help you improve it doesn't mean much at all.
Monday, July 21, 2008
when instructors attack!
This is an old post, happened around September of last year, I was out with some friends at a popular night spot where occasionally you may see a bootcamp run or your occasional mix of pickup gurus or instructors and I was telling a curious newbie to be careful about deciding whether to attend a bootcamp or not and that's when an instructor who I've run into a few times out on the town told me that I was driving away business and I calmly disagreed stating that it was a big investment so it needs a lot of consideration and that the newbie may want to go approach women hardcore for a few months and see what areas he needs to improve on if any. This turned into a debate/argument that pretty much went nowhere as the instructor was trying to bully his argument into me. Now keep in mind the 3 or 4 times I've seen this guy out I have never seen him pull anything hotter than a 7 when he did actually pull. Sure I've seen him talk to plenty of 8's and 9's, chatting up the set a bit and getting them giddy and laughing but no kiss, not even a phone number. But personally I don't care who or what you pull just don't go bragging about you or your company when you rarely even pull yourself. And you go to the company site and they have their instructor credentials and they make him out to be some stud and I can verify that he wasn't. This goes for other instructors I've seen as well. But you witness their bootcamps from a distance and they're talking to a few cute girls in sets and everyone seems to be having a good time and that's their demo.
I never tell anyone to not take a bootcamp, I just expose the truth that it isn't always what you think it is. There are about 4 guys that I've actually seen or I have friends that have seen them that I would definitely recommend. One just recently moved from the big city and left his former company months back so I don't know if he's still teaching but I've seen him out and his game is top notch. Another just recently moved from one coast to another awhile back and I have friends that have seen him when he lived on the east coast and they back his credentials. But like I said I'm not on this site to promote or slander anyone personally so don't ask me but there are some good teachers, some average teachers and some bad teachers and they all work for the big companies. The company name doesn't mean a damn thing - the actual instructor who mentors you does. Note that. This is one of the first questions you should before shelling out your hard earned cash. Also (and I may have touched on this in an earlier post) don't pay attention to the rave reviews. I and a few others went onto forums a while back hunting down reviews of bootcamps. We would read the reviews, note the post counts, and try to find other threads by the guys who gave these rave reviews (field reports, lay reports, etc) and we ended up finding a lot of discrepencies: We found lots of 1 and 2 post members who took bootcamps, we found a lot of long detailed reviews that read like college essays - yet most people who post in the forums don't type with such proper etiquette, we PM'd a few guys who didn't reply back, and a few who did who were virgins and never had girlfriends so it's obvious why their bootcamps were so great if they did actually attend one and we rarely ever found FR's or LR's from this guys after their bootcamp experience, as if they left the forums afterwards. And this is why I bring these things up to guys who are curious but companies don't want you to expose this and I understand why. Negative reviews hurt business, positive reviews get you worked up and motivated to find a way to come up with the money. Instructors DO NOT make a lot of money so I can understand why the guy was pissed at me. Contrary to what we all think most of the money comes from products: DVD's, CD's and especially ebooks generate more money than bootcamps! I don't have any actual numbers but in a lot of cases if your instructor teaches a $2000 bootcamp he may see $800 of that. Well 1 or 2 bootcamps a month is only around $800-$1600 in his pocket so now you can understand why he needs a 9 to 5 along with his instructor job and thats why a lot of instructors leave (among other reasons like politics) and again I'm throwing loose figures around it may be a little bit more but more than likely it's probably less.
Anyway thats my 2 cents for the day to which I only get about 1/2 a penny after I pay my boss!
I never tell anyone to not take a bootcamp, I just expose the truth that it isn't always what you think it is. There are about 4 guys that I've actually seen or I have friends that have seen them that I would definitely recommend. One just recently moved from the big city and left his former company months back so I don't know if he's still teaching but I've seen him out and his game is top notch. Another just recently moved from one coast to another awhile back and I have friends that have seen him when he lived on the east coast and they back his credentials. But like I said I'm not on this site to promote or slander anyone personally so don't ask me but there are some good teachers, some average teachers and some bad teachers and they all work for the big companies. The company name doesn't mean a damn thing - the actual instructor who mentors you does. Note that. This is one of the first questions you should before shelling out your hard earned cash. Also (and I may have touched on this in an earlier post) don't pay attention to the rave reviews. I and a few others went onto forums a while back hunting down reviews of bootcamps. We would read the reviews, note the post counts, and try to find other threads by the guys who gave these rave reviews (field reports, lay reports, etc) and we ended up finding a lot of discrepencies: We found lots of 1 and 2 post members who took bootcamps, we found a lot of long detailed reviews that read like college essays - yet most people who post in the forums don't type with such proper etiquette, we PM'd a few guys who didn't reply back, and a few who did who were virgins and never had girlfriends so it's obvious why their bootcamps were so great if they did actually attend one and we rarely ever found FR's or LR's from this guys after their bootcamp experience, as if they left the forums afterwards. And this is why I bring these things up to guys who are curious but companies don't want you to expose this and I understand why. Negative reviews hurt business, positive reviews get you worked up and motivated to find a way to come up with the money. Instructors DO NOT make a lot of money so I can understand why the guy was pissed at me. Contrary to what we all think most of the money comes from products: DVD's, CD's and especially ebooks generate more money than bootcamps! I don't have any actual numbers but in a lot of cases if your instructor teaches a $2000 bootcamp he may see $800 of that. Well 1 or 2 bootcamps a month is only around $800-$1600 in his pocket so now you can understand why he needs a 9 to 5 along with his instructor job and thats why a lot of instructors leave (among other reasons like politics) and again I'm throwing loose figures around it may be a little bit more but more than likely it's probably less.
Anyway thats my 2 cents for the day to which I only get about 1/2 a penny after I pay my boss!
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