Who are the top PUA's really?

I know you've heard it many times that so and so is the best ever! Or that so and so sucks. The debates go on and on and the thing is most of you will never know or find out. I personally have had the liberty of seeing most of the so called top gurus on the West Coast and Canada and have friends across the US and in Europe that I talk to occasionally that tell me about the guys they've seen in clubs that are well known or not so well known.

Here's the reality: some of your top gurus, if you saw them in the field you would scratch your head wondering what the hype was about. I would say out of 20 of your top well known PUA's about half of them are substance and the rest are hype and I may be pushing it by stating half.
Now when I say hype I don't mean they don't have game at all, I'm just saying don't expect anything spectacular, in fact don't expect anything greater than what your normal natural in the club pulls off. If you have a personality, a set of balls and the ability to carry on a conversation trust me you could pull off what 50 to 75 percent of your top so called gurus pull off on a weekly basis. I think you should reread that statement a few times.

The reason why you don't believe this is because we have a community filled with 20 year old virgin fans of certain gurus who give these gurus superpowers that most of us don't think we can achieve. And we're sold this plethora of material and ideas on which the gurus supposedly have labored around. I've seen gurus lay out tactics like a game of chess and do nothing in field but get a few girls laughing and smiling before ejecting. I've seen some gurus take the high and spiritual road talking about strange out of body New Age concepts that's supposed to enlighten you and put you above the superficial, material or that which exist in your mind. Ironically I've also seen some of these guys out and their game is non-existent but of course they are on another planet and the women don't understand. Sad to say I even know some guys who use sets with girls they already know and have had intimate connections to pretend that they just cold opened a new set and showed guys how well the interaction went during a bootcamp.

But hey it all sells. You're on a forum with a ton of 17-22 year olds who have never been on a date, some have never kissed a girl, never slept with a girl etc so you find the community and you find a Guru from a popular company and everything he tells you sounds like the Holy Grail of solving your problems. And it's not to say that this guru doesn't have good intentions, or isn't a good teacher but (and pay attention to this) if you were to actually see a majority of these guys out in the bars and clubs you would realize the only difference between them and the rest of the club crowd (that includes you ) is that they go out of their way to talk to girls in contrast to the 80 percent of guys who don't or who only do when their drunk. This is considering that they do approach there is a good amount of well known community PUA's that rarely approach or they approach the easiest targets (I hate that term) in the club.

I remember seeing one particular well respected guru out and he never approached. He just stood back and observed like a guy at a bar who leans against the bar, orders drinks and hangs in the background. Every time an attractive girl came by he'd smile and say hi, or he'd ask a question about her dress or ask if she's having a good night and nothing more. Yet I've heard him in an interview talk about approaching sets, owning the club, being a man of action, being unreactive and everything else. There's another popular guru who does approach but says the most supplicating shit trying to win the girl over by telling her things that a chumps says yet I wouldn't say it to his face because this particular guy is a well known AMOG and will even threaten you physically. I've actually seen him push guys out of a set or grab them and AMOG the shit out of him.

Here's something that intrigues me sometimes: Why are there many gurus who decline to shoot infield footage? And some who do shoot staged footage. Why is it staged? Well what better way to generate business than to show your product in action with a girl who's paid willing to shoot a few minutes of footage showing you having a great interaction with her? After all would you buy or follow a company if they showed nothing but instructors or such getting rejection after rejection or just getting a hello, smile and goodbye? Of course not. Remember this is big business, 2001 seemed like a long time ago! Every guru has to live up to the hype of their advertising and the substance of their DVD and CD seminar or theory. No one wants to get exposed. I've seen plenty of these guys and there's a reason that many aren't coming out behind closed curtains. I wouldn't either if I can continue selling you ideas, theory and such.

That doesn't answer your question does it? Who are the top PUA's? It's not enough to say who cares because you're paying big money or devoted quality time following some of these guys. So ask yourself this: who has done the most to improve your game? That's who the top PUA is. It's the person who has helped you evolve the most. I could care less how much a particular guru gets laid, or the pictures he's shot with 4 girls around him, or how cool he looks, or tv shows, magazine articles etc - if it's done nothing to help you improve it doesn't mean much at all.