when instructors attack!

This is an old post, happened around September of last year, I was out with some friends at a popular night spot where occasionally you may see a bootcamp run or your occasional mix of pickup gurus or instructors and I was telling a curious newbie to be careful about deciding whether to attend a bootcamp or not and that's when an instructor who I've run into a few times out on the town told me that I was driving away business and I calmly disagreed stating that it was a big investment so it needs a lot of consideration and that the newbie may want to go approach women hardcore for a few months and see what areas he needs to improve on if any. This turned into a debate/argument that pretty much went nowhere as the instructor was trying to bully his argument into me. Now keep in mind the 3 or 4 times I've seen this guy out I have never seen him pull anything hotter than a 7 when he did actually pull. Sure I've seen him talk to plenty of 8's and 9's, chatting up the set a bit and getting them giddy and laughing but no kiss, not even a phone number. But personally I don't care who or what you pull just don't go bragging about you or your company when you rarely even pull yourself. And you go to the company site and they have their instructor credentials and they make him out to be some stud and I can verify that he wasn't. This goes for other instructors I've seen as well. But you witness their bootcamps from a distance and they're talking to a few cute girls in sets and everyone seems to be having a good time and that's their demo.

I never tell anyone to not take a bootcamp, I just expose the truth that it isn't always what you think it is. There are about 4 guys that I've actually seen or I have friends that have seen them that I would definitely recommend. One just recently moved from the big city and left his former company months back so I don't know if he's still teaching but I've seen him out and his game is top notch. Another just recently moved from one coast to another awhile back and I have friends that have seen him when he lived on the east coast and they back his credentials. But like I said I'm not on this site to promote or slander anyone personally so don't ask me but there are some good teachers, some average teachers and some bad teachers and they all work for the big companies. The company name doesn't mean a damn thing - the actual instructor who mentors you does. Note that. This is one of the first questions you should before shelling out your hard earned cash. Also (and I may have touched on this in an earlier post) don't pay attention to the rave reviews. I and a few others went onto forums a while back hunting down reviews of bootcamps. We would read the reviews, note the post counts, and try to find other threads by the guys who gave these rave reviews (field reports, lay reports, etc) and we ended up finding a lot of discrepencies: We found lots of 1 and 2 post members who took bootcamps, we found a lot of long detailed reviews that read like college essays - yet most people who post in the forums don't type with such proper etiquette, we PM'd a few guys who didn't reply back, and a few who did who were virgins and never had girlfriends so it's obvious why their bootcamps were so great if they did actually attend one and we rarely ever found FR's or LR's from this guys after their bootcamp experience, as if they left the forums afterwards. And this is why I bring these things up to guys who are curious but companies don't want you to expose this and I understand why. Negative reviews hurt business, positive reviews get you worked up and motivated to find a way to come up with the money. Instructors DO NOT make a lot of money so I can understand why the guy was pissed at me. Contrary to what we all think most of the money comes from products: DVD's, CD's and especially ebooks generate more money than bootcamps! I don't have any actual numbers but in a lot of cases if your instructor teaches a $2000 bootcamp he may see $800 of that. Well 1 or 2 bootcamps a month is only around $800-$1600 in his pocket so now you can understand why he needs a 9 to 5 along with his instructor job and thats why a lot of instructors leave (among other reasons like politics) and again I'm throwing loose figures around it may be a little bit more but more than likely it's probably less.

Anyway thats my 2 cents for the day to which I only get about 1/2 a penny after I pay my boss!