I have a friend who sort of acts as my drug dealer. Well no I don't do drugs, at least not anymore but he keeps me well up to date on the latest products in the community and what he thinks. I swear this guy has every single dvd, cd, ebook, presentation and whatever else that has come out from all of the pua companies, gurus, and what not. Here's the funny thing though and even he'll admit it - he rarely hooks up with women. Not by choice but that's just the way it is. He's been in the community since the end of 06, took his bootcamp sometime in 07, and has been a community product collector since that time yet I've only seen a marginal increase in his game from 06 till now. He describes himself as an information junky and trust me the community supplies us with enough junk to cause us to overdose. The last thing most people need is another PUA product yet companies will find a way to push out something 'new' and something that 'has never been seen before' and something 99 percent of the men in this world don't know about something that will skyrocket your game, shall I keep going? You know the pitch. And I shake my head to the guy who has 400+ forum post but no fuck closes. And there are plenty out there. A lot of these guys are seen as the authority and when they review products people take their word for it. 'Simply put the best product on the market today!' How do you know when you don't even have any closes? Between 1998-2002 I had 85 closes from meeting all the way to sex and this was girls outside of my immediate social circle. This was before products and tons of theory. Back then it was trial and error, not a lot of thinking involved or a head full of theory.
There was a lot of hitting up clubs, malls, department stores etc and going for broke.
There was less approach anxiety also. We really didn't know what that was. Now it's like you have to have the right theory in your head or opening routine to go in and start talking. Back then it was basically 'Whats up!!" In a high energy manner in the bars or a low key "hey, whats up in the day time"
95 percent of community releases are rehashes, useless information or can be found free on forums, boards and from podcast. The other 5 percent is actually something that might be worthy of a look, read or listen. But it's like shuffling through a large box of hundreds of bowling balls to find the right one to fit you. Yep what may be good for you may not be good for the guy next to you. I can't tell you how many times I've read 'best product ever! Totally blew me away!' only to check it out myself and find it practically useless. Warning to self: never take advice from a 20 year old virgin who is fascinated with the latest greatest PUA products.
Imagine this. You're team gets a new coach and your friend is the new unseasoned quarterback and he comes to you and you say 'how is the new coach' and he says 'man this is the best offense ever!!' and 5 games into the season you've rarely scored any touchdowns. You see what I mean?
We're seeing a big release every 3 to 6 months. They're becoming like blockbuster movies. I can hardly wait till PUA products have trailers at the beginning for the next big thing! Hell I can hardly wait till Will Smith signs a deal with a PUA company to star in the next big release. That's kind of funny but I did hear a guru once say wouldn't it be cool if we had a celebrity of some sort to endorse us! And that was months before that overrated but entertaining television show on VH1 came out. Most of you guys don't need to watch or listen to anymore products. You just need a ton and I do mean a ton of practice. Get a good friend and go out weekend after weekend and make female friends and acquaintances and don't even focus on the pickup. Meet, greet, bounce to different spots, go to some unknown guys after hour party, go to Dennys, exchange numbers, start conversations, you know just go do it!
Monday, July 28, 2008
Wednesday, July 23, 2008
quotes from a PUA guru, and an ex girlfriend
I was thinking back to the community and some of the guys say that sometimes I'm too harsh on it because when the bs clears they are being helped by these guys and their game is so much better than their AFC days and I agree but hey there's a ton of free resources for the guys who don't have the $479 for DVD's or $2500 for bootcamp. There's Pickup Podcast which I recently discovered a few months back and there's tons of forums, blogs and everything else. I personally like Pickup Podcast and Fastseduction.com because they are more central and not geared to one company or another. Seduction Chronicles is good to read also. The guy on that site does a good job to stay in the middle and not lean towards one side or the other.
Anyway back in '07 I was having a conversation with a very well known PUA. I was sitting there in the club sipping my Captain Morgan and pepsi and he was downing his soda and he was asking why I wasn't trying to be an instructor and I told him I just didn't feel like taking guys all over and teaching them how to pickup women. It wasn't my passion. And he leaned over to me and said "dude this is big business, there is money to be made here and if you don't get your piece of the pie then someone else will" Now I don't remember the whole conversation obviously but I do remember some of the things he said which hold true till this day.
Some memorable conversation pieces from that night:
"I never want to go back to a 9 to 5, if I have to push products and encourage bootcamps I will but this is the life for me!"
"We want to push this more mainstream. Who cares what the public thinks, who cares if someone gets called out, the more this is mainstream the more guys will look for us and the more business they bring in. Fuck that underground shit thats so 2000 we are fucking stars man and this is one its way to being a multimillion dollar industry!"
"Dude do you think Nortons and McAfee and whoever else wants there to be no more computer viruses? If everything ran smoothly those companies would go under! There needs to be viruses or the potential threat of possible viruses for those companies to stay afloat. We have to keep taking this to the next level, in our case we want more AFC's in the world so we can reach out to them and help them and keep business flowing"
"he doesn't get laid that much but he's a good instructor, man you know sometimes it isn't about who is getting the women its about whether he can explain our technology and teach it to some guy who doesn't get women and pickup"
That was what stood out to me in our conversation. Some guys go on and on about these gurus
wanting to be rich and make money. Hey I want to be rich and make money also so I don't fault that but at what expense? Some of these companies and coaches have a conveyor belt mentality of get them in, get paid and ship them out the door. And there are plenty who have the celebrity mindset of wanting to be known and wanting some claim to fame. Trust me when you get a big named PUA sloshed up on a little alcohol and the truth starts to come out you hear things that make you do a double take! The truth is I could've easily been an instructor. I've ran game so much better than 50 percent of the instructors I've seen in the field and in all honesty I'm not really that great. But you don't have to be great to pickup women. You just have to be on that night in that moment. It all has to click.
Now for your entertainment pleasure this was from a conversation with an ex of a former instructor guru of one of the big four or five companies out there. I ran into her at a Starbucks one evening and I knew her from when the two of them dated for a good 3 months we exchanged emails and this is what she wrote about the super PUA guru:
"he kept asking me to go out with him in a joking manner after I wouldn't return his calls and finally I did and he started out cool but sexually he was bad and so that was a turn off for me. I'll let it go for a few weeks but it was every time we had sex he had problems getting it up and when he did he'd lose it way to fast or come way to fast. After I broke up with him he would drive by my apartment at like 3 or 4 in the morning and it was freaking me out. He would also send me these emails about how he's good with women and he teaches guys how to be better men with women and who he knows and has been out with, it was rather pathetic but thats when I found out about this pickup stuff, I never knew he was involved and I didn't mind except for him bragging or begging me to go out when he's supposed to be good with women"
Just goes to show that not all of your gurus are seduction artist. And now you understand why I wont name names either. Have a good one.
Anyway back in '07 I was having a conversation with a very well known PUA. I was sitting there in the club sipping my Captain Morgan and pepsi and he was downing his soda and he was asking why I wasn't trying to be an instructor and I told him I just didn't feel like taking guys all over and teaching them how to pickup women. It wasn't my passion. And he leaned over to me and said "dude this is big business, there is money to be made here and if you don't get your piece of the pie then someone else will" Now I don't remember the whole conversation obviously but I do remember some of the things he said which hold true till this day.
Some memorable conversation pieces from that night:
"I never want to go back to a 9 to 5, if I have to push products and encourage bootcamps I will but this is the life for me!"
"We want to push this more mainstream. Who cares what the public thinks, who cares if someone gets called out, the more this is mainstream the more guys will look for us and the more business they bring in. Fuck that underground shit thats so 2000 we are fucking stars man and this is one its way to being a multimillion dollar industry!"
"Dude do you think Nortons and McAfee and whoever else wants there to be no more computer viruses? If everything ran smoothly those companies would go under! There needs to be viruses or the potential threat of possible viruses for those companies to stay afloat. We have to keep taking this to the next level, in our case we want more AFC's in the world so we can reach out to them and help them and keep business flowing"
"he doesn't get laid that much but he's a good instructor, man you know sometimes it isn't about who is getting the women its about whether he can explain our technology and teach it to some guy who doesn't get women and pickup"
That was what stood out to me in our conversation. Some guys go on and on about these gurus
wanting to be rich and make money. Hey I want to be rich and make money also so I don't fault that but at what expense? Some of these companies and coaches have a conveyor belt mentality of get them in, get paid and ship them out the door. And there are plenty who have the celebrity mindset of wanting to be known and wanting some claim to fame. Trust me when you get a big named PUA sloshed up on a little alcohol and the truth starts to come out you hear things that make you do a double take! The truth is I could've easily been an instructor. I've ran game so much better than 50 percent of the instructors I've seen in the field and in all honesty I'm not really that great. But you don't have to be great to pickup women. You just have to be on that night in that moment. It all has to click.
Now for your entertainment pleasure this was from a conversation with an ex of a former instructor guru of one of the big four or five companies out there. I ran into her at a Starbucks one evening and I knew her from when the two of them dated for a good 3 months we exchanged emails and this is what she wrote about the super PUA guru:
"he kept asking me to go out with him in a joking manner after I wouldn't return his calls and finally I did and he started out cool but sexually he was bad and so that was a turn off for me. I'll let it go for a few weeks but it was every time we had sex he had problems getting it up and when he did he'd lose it way to fast or come way to fast. After I broke up with him he would drive by my apartment at like 3 or 4 in the morning and it was freaking me out. He would also send me these emails about how he's good with women and he teaches guys how to be better men with women and who he knows and has been out with, it was rather pathetic but thats when I found out about this pickup stuff, I never knew he was involved and I didn't mind except for him bragging or begging me to go out when he's supposed to be good with women"
Just goes to show that not all of your gurus are seduction artist. And now you understand why I wont name names either. Have a good one.
Who are the top PUA's really?
I know you've heard it many times that so and so is the best ever! Or that so and so sucks. The debates go on and on and the thing is most of you will never know or find out. I personally have had the liberty of seeing most of the so called top gurus on the West Coast and Canada and have friends across the US and in Europe that I talk to occasionally that tell me about the guys they've seen in clubs that are well known or not so well known.
Here's the reality: some of your top gurus, if you saw them in the field you would scratch your head wondering what the hype was about. I would say out of 20 of your top well known PUA's about half of them are substance and the rest are hype and I may be pushing it by stating half.
Now when I say hype I don't mean they don't have game at all, I'm just saying don't expect anything spectacular, in fact don't expect anything greater than what your normal natural in the club pulls off. If you have a personality, a set of balls and the ability to carry on a conversation trust me you could pull off what 50 to 75 percent of your top so called gurus pull off on a weekly basis. I think you should reread that statement a few times.
The reason why you don't believe this is because we have a community filled with 20 year old virgin fans of certain gurus who give these gurus superpowers that most of us don't think we can achieve. And we're sold this plethora of material and ideas on which the gurus supposedly have labored around. I've seen gurus lay out tactics like a game of chess and do nothing in field but get a few girls laughing and smiling before ejecting. I've seen some gurus take the high and spiritual road talking about strange out of body New Age concepts that's supposed to enlighten you and put you above the superficial, material or that which exist in your mind. Ironically I've also seen some of these guys out and their game is non-existent but of course they are on another planet and the women don't understand. Sad to say I even know some guys who use sets with girls they already know and have had intimate connections to pretend that they just cold opened a new set and showed guys how well the interaction went during a bootcamp.
But hey it all sells. You're on a forum with a ton of 17-22 year olds who have never been on a date, some have never kissed a girl, never slept with a girl etc so you find the community and you find a Guru from a popular company and everything he tells you sounds like the Holy Grail of solving your problems. And it's not to say that this guru doesn't have good intentions, or isn't a good teacher but (and pay attention to this) if you were to actually see a majority of these guys out in the bars and clubs you would realize the only difference between them and the rest of the club crowd (that includes you ) is that they go out of their way to talk to girls in contrast to the 80 percent of guys who don't or who only do when their drunk. This is considering that they do approach there is a good amount of well known community PUA's that rarely approach or they approach the easiest targets (I hate that term) in the club.
I remember seeing one particular well respected guru out and he never approached. He just stood back and observed like a guy at a bar who leans against the bar, orders drinks and hangs in the background. Every time an attractive girl came by he'd smile and say hi, or he'd ask a question about her dress or ask if she's having a good night and nothing more. Yet I've heard him in an interview talk about approaching sets, owning the club, being a man of action, being unreactive and everything else. There's another popular guru who does approach but says the most supplicating shit trying to win the girl over by telling her things that a chumps says yet I wouldn't say it to his face because this particular guy is a well known AMOG and will even threaten you physically. I've actually seen him push guys out of a set or grab them and AMOG the shit out of him.
Here's something that intrigues me sometimes: Why are there many gurus who decline to shoot infield footage? And some who do shoot staged footage. Why is it staged? Well what better way to generate business than to show your product in action with a girl who's paid willing to shoot a few minutes of footage showing you having a great interaction with her? After all would you buy or follow a company if they showed nothing but instructors or such getting rejection after rejection or just getting a hello, smile and goodbye? Of course not. Remember this is big business, 2001 seemed like a long time ago! Every guru has to live up to the hype of their advertising and the substance of their DVD and CD seminar or theory. No one wants to get exposed. I've seen plenty of these guys and there's a reason that many aren't coming out behind closed curtains. I wouldn't either if I can continue selling you ideas, theory and such.
That doesn't answer your question does it? Who are the top PUA's? It's not enough to say who cares because you're paying big money or devoted quality time following some of these guys. So ask yourself this: who has done the most to improve your game? That's who the top PUA is. It's the person who has helped you evolve the most. I could care less how much a particular guru gets laid, or the pictures he's shot with 4 girls around him, or how cool he looks, or tv shows, magazine articles etc - if it's done nothing to help you improve it doesn't mean much at all.
Here's the reality: some of your top gurus, if you saw them in the field you would scratch your head wondering what the hype was about. I would say out of 20 of your top well known PUA's about half of them are substance and the rest are hype and I may be pushing it by stating half.
Now when I say hype I don't mean they don't have game at all, I'm just saying don't expect anything spectacular, in fact don't expect anything greater than what your normal natural in the club pulls off. If you have a personality, a set of balls and the ability to carry on a conversation trust me you could pull off what 50 to 75 percent of your top so called gurus pull off on a weekly basis. I think you should reread that statement a few times.
The reason why you don't believe this is because we have a community filled with 20 year old virgin fans of certain gurus who give these gurus superpowers that most of us don't think we can achieve. And we're sold this plethora of material and ideas on which the gurus supposedly have labored around. I've seen gurus lay out tactics like a game of chess and do nothing in field but get a few girls laughing and smiling before ejecting. I've seen some gurus take the high and spiritual road talking about strange out of body New Age concepts that's supposed to enlighten you and put you above the superficial, material or that which exist in your mind. Ironically I've also seen some of these guys out and their game is non-existent but of course they are on another planet and the women don't understand. Sad to say I even know some guys who use sets with girls they already know and have had intimate connections to pretend that they just cold opened a new set and showed guys how well the interaction went during a bootcamp.
But hey it all sells. You're on a forum with a ton of 17-22 year olds who have never been on a date, some have never kissed a girl, never slept with a girl etc so you find the community and you find a Guru from a popular company and everything he tells you sounds like the Holy Grail of solving your problems. And it's not to say that this guru doesn't have good intentions, or isn't a good teacher but (and pay attention to this) if you were to actually see a majority of these guys out in the bars and clubs you would realize the only difference between them and the rest of the club crowd (that includes you ) is that they go out of their way to talk to girls in contrast to the 80 percent of guys who don't or who only do when their drunk. This is considering that they do approach there is a good amount of well known community PUA's that rarely approach or they approach the easiest targets (I hate that term) in the club.
I remember seeing one particular well respected guru out and he never approached. He just stood back and observed like a guy at a bar who leans against the bar, orders drinks and hangs in the background. Every time an attractive girl came by he'd smile and say hi, or he'd ask a question about her dress or ask if she's having a good night and nothing more. Yet I've heard him in an interview talk about approaching sets, owning the club, being a man of action, being unreactive and everything else. There's another popular guru who does approach but says the most supplicating shit trying to win the girl over by telling her things that a chumps says yet I wouldn't say it to his face because this particular guy is a well known AMOG and will even threaten you physically. I've actually seen him push guys out of a set or grab them and AMOG the shit out of him.
Here's something that intrigues me sometimes: Why are there many gurus who decline to shoot infield footage? And some who do shoot staged footage. Why is it staged? Well what better way to generate business than to show your product in action with a girl who's paid willing to shoot a few minutes of footage showing you having a great interaction with her? After all would you buy or follow a company if they showed nothing but instructors or such getting rejection after rejection or just getting a hello, smile and goodbye? Of course not. Remember this is big business, 2001 seemed like a long time ago! Every guru has to live up to the hype of their advertising and the substance of their DVD and CD seminar or theory. No one wants to get exposed. I've seen plenty of these guys and there's a reason that many aren't coming out behind closed curtains. I wouldn't either if I can continue selling you ideas, theory and such.
That doesn't answer your question does it? Who are the top PUA's? It's not enough to say who cares because you're paying big money or devoted quality time following some of these guys. So ask yourself this: who has done the most to improve your game? That's who the top PUA is. It's the person who has helped you evolve the most. I could care less how much a particular guru gets laid, or the pictures he's shot with 4 girls around him, or how cool he looks, or tv shows, magazine articles etc - if it's done nothing to help you improve it doesn't mean much at all.
Monday, July 21, 2008
when instructors attack!
This is an old post, happened around September of last year, I was out with some friends at a popular night spot where occasionally you may see a bootcamp run or your occasional mix of pickup gurus or instructors and I was telling a curious newbie to be careful about deciding whether to attend a bootcamp or not and that's when an instructor who I've run into a few times out on the town told me that I was driving away business and I calmly disagreed stating that it was a big investment so it needs a lot of consideration and that the newbie may want to go approach women hardcore for a few months and see what areas he needs to improve on if any. This turned into a debate/argument that pretty much went nowhere as the instructor was trying to bully his argument into me. Now keep in mind the 3 or 4 times I've seen this guy out I have never seen him pull anything hotter than a 7 when he did actually pull. Sure I've seen him talk to plenty of 8's and 9's, chatting up the set a bit and getting them giddy and laughing but no kiss, not even a phone number. But personally I don't care who or what you pull just don't go bragging about you or your company when you rarely even pull yourself. And you go to the company site and they have their instructor credentials and they make him out to be some stud and I can verify that he wasn't. This goes for other instructors I've seen as well. But you witness their bootcamps from a distance and they're talking to a few cute girls in sets and everyone seems to be having a good time and that's their demo.
I never tell anyone to not take a bootcamp, I just expose the truth that it isn't always what you think it is. There are about 4 guys that I've actually seen or I have friends that have seen them that I would definitely recommend. One just recently moved from the big city and left his former company months back so I don't know if he's still teaching but I've seen him out and his game is top notch. Another just recently moved from one coast to another awhile back and I have friends that have seen him when he lived on the east coast and they back his credentials. But like I said I'm not on this site to promote or slander anyone personally so don't ask me but there are some good teachers, some average teachers and some bad teachers and they all work for the big companies. The company name doesn't mean a damn thing - the actual instructor who mentors you does. Note that. This is one of the first questions you should before shelling out your hard earned cash. Also (and I may have touched on this in an earlier post) don't pay attention to the rave reviews. I and a few others went onto forums a while back hunting down reviews of bootcamps. We would read the reviews, note the post counts, and try to find other threads by the guys who gave these rave reviews (field reports, lay reports, etc) and we ended up finding a lot of discrepencies: We found lots of 1 and 2 post members who took bootcamps, we found a lot of long detailed reviews that read like college essays - yet most people who post in the forums don't type with such proper etiquette, we PM'd a few guys who didn't reply back, and a few who did who were virgins and never had girlfriends so it's obvious why their bootcamps were so great if they did actually attend one and we rarely ever found FR's or LR's from this guys after their bootcamp experience, as if they left the forums afterwards. And this is why I bring these things up to guys who are curious but companies don't want you to expose this and I understand why. Negative reviews hurt business, positive reviews get you worked up and motivated to find a way to come up with the money. Instructors DO NOT make a lot of money so I can understand why the guy was pissed at me. Contrary to what we all think most of the money comes from products: DVD's, CD's and especially ebooks generate more money than bootcamps! I don't have any actual numbers but in a lot of cases if your instructor teaches a $2000 bootcamp he may see $800 of that. Well 1 or 2 bootcamps a month is only around $800-$1600 in his pocket so now you can understand why he needs a 9 to 5 along with his instructor job and thats why a lot of instructors leave (among other reasons like politics) and again I'm throwing loose figures around it may be a little bit more but more than likely it's probably less.
Anyway thats my 2 cents for the day to which I only get about 1/2 a penny after I pay my boss!
I never tell anyone to not take a bootcamp, I just expose the truth that it isn't always what you think it is. There are about 4 guys that I've actually seen or I have friends that have seen them that I would definitely recommend. One just recently moved from the big city and left his former company months back so I don't know if he's still teaching but I've seen him out and his game is top notch. Another just recently moved from one coast to another awhile back and I have friends that have seen him when he lived on the east coast and they back his credentials. But like I said I'm not on this site to promote or slander anyone personally so don't ask me but there are some good teachers, some average teachers and some bad teachers and they all work for the big companies. The company name doesn't mean a damn thing - the actual instructor who mentors you does. Note that. This is one of the first questions you should before shelling out your hard earned cash. Also (and I may have touched on this in an earlier post) don't pay attention to the rave reviews. I and a few others went onto forums a while back hunting down reviews of bootcamps. We would read the reviews, note the post counts, and try to find other threads by the guys who gave these rave reviews (field reports, lay reports, etc) and we ended up finding a lot of discrepencies: We found lots of 1 and 2 post members who took bootcamps, we found a lot of long detailed reviews that read like college essays - yet most people who post in the forums don't type with such proper etiquette, we PM'd a few guys who didn't reply back, and a few who did who were virgins and never had girlfriends so it's obvious why their bootcamps were so great if they did actually attend one and we rarely ever found FR's or LR's from this guys after their bootcamp experience, as if they left the forums afterwards. And this is why I bring these things up to guys who are curious but companies don't want you to expose this and I understand why. Negative reviews hurt business, positive reviews get you worked up and motivated to find a way to come up with the money. Instructors DO NOT make a lot of money so I can understand why the guy was pissed at me. Contrary to what we all think most of the money comes from products: DVD's, CD's and especially ebooks generate more money than bootcamps! I don't have any actual numbers but in a lot of cases if your instructor teaches a $2000 bootcamp he may see $800 of that. Well 1 or 2 bootcamps a month is only around $800-$1600 in his pocket so now you can understand why he needs a 9 to 5 along with his instructor job and thats why a lot of instructors leave (among other reasons like politics) and again I'm throwing loose figures around it may be a little bit more but more than likely it's probably less.
Anyway thats my 2 cents for the day to which I only get about 1/2 a penny after I pay my boss!
Sunday, July 20, 2008
Routines or Natural? It's really your choice
With so much going on in the PUA business world, I mean the community it's really hard to figure out what path to take and with who. The common debate for the last (pick a number) years is routine vs natural (or commonly referred to as direct vs indirect) and to be honest I'm so tired of hearing about it that I don't give a damn. Does a gimmick offense get you to the Super Bowl? If so then hell run with it. Lord knows I've run a ton of routines in order to secure that one night stand, or date and the thing you have to remember is you aren't going to use them all of the time. You may open with a routine, tell a story, and maybe make some generic observations but that's about it to routine game. It's not 10,000 lines of memorized sentences and phrases. On the contrary if you're stuck after delivering your opening and your story then you have no game! If you are asking the board what to say after you say xxxx then you have no game! And if you are shaking in your boots or pissed because there may be a television show coming out about the lifestyle you live then you aren't a man with a core identity that's attractive.
Now the best PUA's I've seen run both routine based and natural game. They are what the community considers some of the best and well known guys out there. But their routines did not get them laid. Their routines only allowed them entrance into a group and minutes to interact with that group. Read that again for all of you 'routines are for suckers' guys. Their routines did not get them laid, it only allowed them less resistance when entering a group and time to demonstrate their personality. I see a group of 3 girls, I have my fun opener ready
and I go in and deliver it with success, maybe tell a story or two that I've told everyone in the world (the same way you do with coworkers, friends etc) and just vibe it naturally from there.
My friend who runs some super tight routine based game said 'Show me a guy who walks into a set of 5 girls and guys and pulls the girl he's interested in out of the set by walking up and expressing his true desires and 8 out of 10 times I'll show you an athlete, actor, musician or a guy who the girl was strongly attracted to in the first place'
So from that you hear my defense of routine based game. The reason so many guys are critical of it is because they feel like that's all guys run. As if a guy runs 2 hours worth of routines. Bullshit! I bet the best routine based guys run about 5-10 minutes top worth of routines.
Now for you routine based guys quit being so damn critical of the natural or direct guys. I don't want to hear anymore of this crap about 'that's what all guys do' because it's not. Just as much as it irks me when guys suddenly find the natural holy grail and bash routines it irks me when guys who feel that they need routines bash natural/direct game as methodical, unoriginal or nothing different than what every other guy does in the club. As I write this I recall the other night seeing the cutest girl in the bar ( a lovely biracial 5'4 girl with black curly hair and the prettiest eyes) getting picked up and smiling while talking to this bald black guy who said nothing more than "hey how are you?, I'm Kev, what's your name? Thats a lovely name..." And those two ended up going outside and talking forever and he left with her number. What everyone else does....whatever.
The truth is 'game is game' and if you have it then you'll do well and if you don't - I don't care if Jesus wrote some routines for you, you will suck in the field. It really and truly does boil down to your confidence, self esteem, and personality. Everything else is a filter, whether it's pre-scripted or off the top of your head.
Now the best PUA's I've seen run both routine based and natural game. They are what the community considers some of the best and well known guys out there. But their routines did not get them laid. Their routines only allowed them entrance into a group and minutes to interact with that group. Read that again for all of you 'routines are for suckers' guys. Their routines did not get them laid, it only allowed them less resistance when entering a group and time to demonstrate their personality. I see a group of 3 girls, I have my fun opener ready
and I go in and deliver it with success, maybe tell a story or two that I've told everyone in the world (the same way you do with coworkers, friends etc) and just vibe it naturally from there.
My friend who runs some super tight routine based game said 'Show me a guy who walks into a set of 5 girls and guys and pulls the girl he's interested in out of the set by walking up and expressing his true desires and 8 out of 10 times I'll show you an athlete, actor, musician or a guy who the girl was strongly attracted to in the first place'
So from that you hear my defense of routine based game. The reason so many guys are critical of it is because they feel like that's all guys run. As if a guy runs 2 hours worth of routines. Bullshit! I bet the best routine based guys run about 5-10 minutes top worth of routines.
Now for you routine based guys quit being so damn critical of the natural or direct guys. I don't want to hear anymore of this crap about 'that's what all guys do' because it's not. Just as much as it irks me when guys suddenly find the natural holy grail and bash routines it irks me when guys who feel that they need routines bash natural/direct game as methodical, unoriginal or nothing different than what every other guy does in the club. As I write this I recall the other night seeing the cutest girl in the bar ( a lovely biracial 5'4 girl with black curly hair and the prettiest eyes) getting picked up and smiling while talking to this bald black guy who said nothing more than "hey how are you?, I'm Kev, what's your name? Thats a lovely name..." And those two ended up going outside and talking forever and he left with her number. What everyone else does....whatever.
The truth is 'game is game' and if you have it then you'll do well and if you don't - I don't care if Jesus wrote some routines for you, you will suck in the field. It really and truly does boil down to your confidence, self esteem, and personality. Everything else is a filter, whether it's pre-scripted or off the top of your head.
Monday, July 14, 2008
Pua head mess
What is the difference between you being the guy wanting or gaming hot girls and the guy who isn't a PUA or even a natural who actually dates attractive women?
Why do I ask? Because I have a friend who time and time again has dated very attractive girls. He is not a PUA, he is not a natural, he is not in the community. He is just an average guy who goes for attractive women and asked them out. And he's not the only one I know who does this. Plenty of guys do. That HB9 and HB10 you're wondering how to approach has/is dating someone who isn't in the community, who isn't this 6'4 alpha stud, and who isn't some smooth Mr Natural. She's dating a John Doe and you see it all the time but in your reality it shouldn't happen because he doesn't have the theory down, the tactics, the state, the routines, or the social proof. He just is. He does what he wants, he goes for what he wants, he takes chances that aren't calculated and don't seem weird or require special techniques. He may do things that make you go "that's so AFC" but who gives a damn. He's dating the girl you're trying to boyfriend destroy (thumbs down to that BS tactic) or the girl you're asking the board how to get!
Get it?
Why do I ask? Because I have a friend who time and time again has dated very attractive girls. He is not a PUA, he is not a natural, he is not in the community. He is just an average guy who goes for attractive women and asked them out. And he's not the only one I know who does this. Plenty of guys do. That HB9 and HB10 you're wondering how to approach has/is dating someone who isn't in the community, who isn't this 6'4 alpha stud, and who isn't some smooth Mr Natural. She's dating a John Doe and you see it all the time but in your reality it shouldn't happen because he doesn't have the theory down, the tactics, the state, the routines, or the social proof. He just is. He does what he wants, he goes for what he wants, he takes chances that aren't calculated and don't seem weird or require special techniques. He may do things that make you go "that's so AFC" but who gives a damn. He's dating the girl you're trying to boyfriend destroy (thumbs down to that BS tactic) or the girl you're asking the board how to get!
Get it?
Saturday, July 12, 2008
anonymous
Who am I? Just a pale pasty white guy with a lot on his mind.
So anyway one of my close friends asked me why I'm staying anonymous. Well for no other reason than the fact that some haters can no longer call you out when you're anonymous.
Okay it's a bit of a complicated story. See back a few years ago (or maybe it was a year) an infamous guru posted about the 10 he picked up in a particular night club and it got rave feedback. Well it so happened that I happened to be at the same club he said he was at where he picked up the hot 10 who he said was the hottest girl in the bar and that everyone else had failed with. The funny thing about the story is that I never saw him the whole night. Nor did I see the girl he described. Not only that but he followed up by saying they went to a particular diner after the club and that every guy was staring at him and his super model date and every girl was eying them also. Well again he slipped because my brothers ex happened to be a waitress there on that shift and she said they were dead and there was hardly a sole that came in and she never made mention of any hot girl or a guy.
So I called him out on the field report and he bashed me for being a hater and he changed his story around and said he was at the club. I messaged him back and said well you would've seen the huge fight at the club then and the cops and he said he saw the fight and left when the cops was showed up. There was no fight!
Anyway enough on that I just decided I would let guys tell their stories, let companies post their highly rated bootcamp reviews under whoever, and let people get bug eyed over their conceived notions of their gurus having D&D wizard like powers and I just let it alone.
Now let me say something, I am not trying to hate on anyone. As a matter of fact I've learned a lot from all of the theory and information that has been passed down and through trial and error. What I want you all to realize though is that this community works best when we're helping one another and trying to share and gain knowledge and understanding. How do fake field reports, rehashed theory on DVD's and CD's, $3000 bootcamps, and such help you? If anyone remembers the fake video of the guy meeting a girl and kissing her on the street within minutes you know what I'm talking about. It was exposed as being a fake and this is the type of stuff that consumes about 75 percent of the business. Remember when Chris Rock said that the money isn't in the cure but in something that will give you a temporary fix? Well in relation to pickup the money is in keeping you dependent on information, more and more information. Yes I know some guys are constantly trying to uncover every angle of attraction, seduction and what not but ask yourself 'how hard is it really?' 'Does it require 25 CD's, 4 ebooks, 10 DVD's and $3000 bootcamps from a company to get it down?' or does it require you getting off your ass, talking, taking notes on paper and in your head and ocassionally reading some good post or watching someone else do it?
Out of the top 3 companies there are probably over 80,000 members! Yes go count them if you don't believe me. Yet how many of those guys including you are actually getting laid? How many of you are consistently going on dates? How many of you are better men now? No, not men with better routines or more knowledge but better MEN. How many of you spend more time on the Internet defending your guru or company or marveling at others so called success than you do spend time talking to women and working on your social skill set?
I didn't come in this community to be the next well known PUA to be idolized, come out with a 10 disk DVD set, argue theory or bow down to guys I see in the club often doing the same thing I do only with more intent. What about you?
So anyway one of my close friends asked me why I'm staying anonymous. Well for no other reason than the fact that some haters can no longer call you out when you're anonymous.
Okay it's a bit of a complicated story. See back a few years ago (or maybe it was a year) an infamous guru posted about the 10 he picked up in a particular night club and it got rave feedback. Well it so happened that I happened to be at the same club he said he was at where he picked up the hot 10 who he said was the hottest girl in the bar and that everyone else had failed with. The funny thing about the story is that I never saw him the whole night. Nor did I see the girl he described. Not only that but he followed up by saying they went to a particular diner after the club and that every guy was staring at him and his super model date and every girl was eying them also. Well again he slipped because my brothers ex happened to be a waitress there on that shift and she said they were dead and there was hardly a sole that came in and she never made mention of any hot girl or a guy.
So I called him out on the field report and he bashed me for being a hater and he changed his story around and said he was at the club. I messaged him back and said well you would've seen the huge fight at the club then and the cops and he said he saw the fight and left when the cops was showed up. There was no fight!
Anyway enough on that I just decided I would let guys tell their stories, let companies post their highly rated bootcamp reviews under whoever, and let people get bug eyed over their conceived notions of their gurus having D&D wizard like powers and I just let it alone.
Now let me say something, I am not trying to hate on anyone. As a matter of fact I've learned a lot from all of the theory and information that has been passed down and through trial and error. What I want you all to realize though is that this community works best when we're helping one another and trying to share and gain knowledge and understanding. How do fake field reports, rehashed theory on DVD's and CD's, $3000 bootcamps, and such help you? If anyone remembers the fake video of the guy meeting a girl and kissing her on the street within minutes you know what I'm talking about. It was exposed as being a fake and this is the type of stuff that consumes about 75 percent of the business. Remember when Chris Rock said that the money isn't in the cure but in something that will give you a temporary fix? Well in relation to pickup the money is in keeping you dependent on information, more and more information. Yes I know some guys are constantly trying to uncover every angle of attraction, seduction and what not but ask yourself 'how hard is it really?' 'Does it require 25 CD's, 4 ebooks, 10 DVD's and $3000 bootcamps from a company to get it down?' or does it require you getting off your ass, talking, taking notes on paper and in your head and ocassionally reading some good post or watching someone else do it?
Out of the top 3 companies there are probably over 80,000 members! Yes go count them if you don't believe me. Yet how many of those guys including you are actually getting laid? How many of you are consistently going on dates? How many of you are better men now? No, not men with better routines or more knowledge but better MEN. How many of you spend more time on the Internet defending your guru or company or marveling at others so called success than you do spend time talking to women and working on your social skill set?
I didn't come in this community to be the next well known PUA to be idolized, come out with a 10 disk DVD set, argue theory or bow down to guys I see in the club often doing the same thing I do only with more intent. What about you?
Thursday, July 10, 2008
Who my blog is for
To most of you who stop by to read my blogs, whether you like it or not, agree with my opinions or not, understand that I made this to shed light on the reality of the community, game and so forth.
I never really liked the idea of being a pickup artist personally because I think it has negative connotations, I mean what other identity would get you such a creepy reaction, resistance or a 'get serious' look from girls if you told them thats exactly what you do. But let's face it we are pickup artist, seducers and whatever else you call it. It's a fun lifestyle and brings out your best social skills and that's what others on the outside don't understand. Yet like I said in my blog about the community being a mess there is a dark side to this shit. You become arrogant, judgmental, sometimes annoying, and other negative things. When girls don't want to talk to you and you stand there and still try to run your game it's flat out rude and makes you look like a dumb ass. That's why I rarely ever hang with pua's.
It's funny when I read someone talking about ditching their friends or how their friends are AFC and they want to hang with pua's only, I begin to shake my head and wonder if we're raising men of character or sleazeballs. I dropped a few newbie community guys because they wouldn't shut up about 'game' and flat out gave me the creeps. I'd rather hang with guys and talk about women, sports, cars, computers etc than sets, routines, HB9 in the corner, gurus and other shit all night. You seriously want to be a good wing? Then don't weird your friend out.
The community needs to focus less on rules, business, fame and other bs and focus more on just having fun for the sake of it and learning to be a man of character, wit, charm and an understanding of humanity in a real sense and not some guys who think they know what its all about because they listened to product x, ran routine y, or even because they just all of a sudden feel natural and confident. Pffffffft! Spare me the psuedo-male ego. When you stop sweating over 9's and 10's and learn to talk and treat people based on the content of their character then you start to get it.
I never really liked the idea of being a pickup artist personally because I think it has negative connotations, I mean what other identity would get you such a creepy reaction, resistance or a 'get serious' look from girls if you told them thats exactly what you do. But let's face it we are pickup artist, seducers and whatever else you call it. It's a fun lifestyle and brings out your best social skills and that's what others on the outside don't understand. Yet like I said in my blog about the community being a mess there is a dark side to this shit. You become arrogant, judgmental, sometimes annoying, and other negative things. When girls don't want to talk to you and you stand there and still try to run your game it's flat out rude and makes you look like a dumb ass. That's why I rarely ever hang with pua's.
It's funny when I read someone talking about ditching their friends or how their friends are AFC and they want to hang with pua's only, I begin to shake my head and wonder if we're raising men of character or sleazeballs. I dropped a few newbie community guys because they wouldn't shut up about 'game' and flat out gave me the creeps. I'd rather hang with guys and talk about women, sports, cars, computers etc than sets, routines, HB9 in the corner, gurus and other shit all night. You seriously want to be a good wing? Then don't weird your friend out.
The community needs to focus less on rules, business, fame and other bs and focus more on just having fun for the sake of it and learning to be a man of character, wit, charm and an understanding of humanity in a real sense and not some guys who think they know what its all about because they listened to product x, ran routine y, or even because they just all of a sudden feel natural and confident. Pffffffft! Spare me the psuedo-male ego. When you stop sweating over 9's and 10's and learn to talk and treat people based on the content of their character then you start to get it.
Tuesday, July 1, 2008
To Bootcamp or Not? Some less flattering stories
I know it riddles your brain, whether or not you should take a bootcamp or not. I know if you had that extra $2500-$3000 laying around you'd do it in a heartbeat. So for most people it's a matter of money instead of whether they will get anything out of it. You've read the amazing reviews and got excited and felt like a peeping tom looking in on a cool party that you weren't invited. Okay seriously I have several friends some of who I know personally and some by corresponding through the internet over the years, who have taken bootcamps and the reviews were mixed. Once again let me add that I'm not here to slander or flame any company nor am I here to hype any company up so I'm leaving out names. Now I've had 5 close friends of mine take bootcamps with various companies (one guy took two bootcamps) Two of my friends asked for refunds, as did another guy who took the bootcamp. The other guy felt he gained nothing from the experience but he was too proud to ask for a refund and the last two felt uplifted by their bootcamp experience.
Now none of these guys are total AFC's which should tell you something. The other guys who went to the bootcamp were total AFC's so their hype of an experience is a result of being young and never having the experience of dating, being intimate with women or anything similar. The first couple of women that responded to them in a positive manner made them feel like Gods. But for my friends they had already been in relationships, dated or had fair success meeting women so there was nothing revolutionary about their bootcamps. By the way most of this happened in late 2006 and in 2007. Here are some of their comments I remember:
"The daytime was seminar and get to know you talk mainly over stuff you know if you read all the material and such; the night time we were told to go and talk to this set or that set and after every set you'll get a little feedback like you did X well, you should do more Y. My instructor didn't do any demo sets, he hung in the background and talked with another instructor and kind of observed."
"After seminars we got to the clubs and the approached sets. The instructor did one demo set that went okay but nothing more than the girls smiling, a little laughter and then he ejected. Some of us did well, some didn't. One guy was so scared that the instructor sent a girl over to talk to him. The next night he approached and had a few girls giggling and he was like Wow man this is amazing and I'm thinking like 'have you been in a cave for the past 22 years?' When you read a message board and there's always guys who seem clueless about every detail you realize they exist in real life and they do need help but for most of us it's standard bar and club night. I didn't get much out of it to be honest"
"Shit man the instructor just kept blabbing on and joking about where he was before he got in the community. I found out he was a newbie and AFC 6 months ago and now he's an instructor. His demo was horrible, like things you know not to do even if you aren't in the community. I kissed closed and # closed without applying most of what we learned, this was just from shit I knew from going out so much myself and with my friends. He stopped me after the night and said I should teach which I found flattering but man I forked out a few thousand, I wanted to learn how to take my game to another level. He had the other guys feeling like they were superheroes because 2 of the other guys were virgins but I'm feeling like I could've saved my money and upped my wardrobe. Think real hard before you fork over money for a bootcamp man because you may be just one step away from were these instructors are and you realize all you need is some balls. I am not joking!"
"Man I was thinking okay this is it! I wanted to do this for a long time so I could go back home and completely take over the nightlife in my city. Here I am taking a bootcamp with one of the elite companies after reading all of the great reviews and even seeing pics of cute girls. I remember I couldnt wait to get out of the class portion and go to the club. Fuck me if I was totally not blown away! Let me rephrase that man. It was a $3000 weekend to do the same stuff I had been doing before I took the bootcamp and that is go around, be social and talk to people, and start conversations with women. I couldn't wait to see the instructor do some gaming and they did. They also got blown out, one instructor had his HB9 that he was gaming taken by some big black guy that looked like Terrell Owens! Another instructor sat with some random guy and they did shots of tequila and kept singing dumb songs. It makes you realize that this whole guru talk is overrated, these guys are normal like you and I. I wasn't expecting them to take girlfriends from boyfriends, pull supermodels from alpha male sets or the likes but I was expecting to see something more than my instructor getting drunk or another one spending 30 minutes talking to a HB6 and twice getting the women he was gaming taking by some other guys. I don't know man, I learned a lot more from the negative than the positive experinces "
Those are a few less desirable comments from guys I talk too. Keep in mind that their experiences were deleted from the forums which brings up another point: Who are these guys who are having these amazing experiences? Why do the majority of them have less than 5 post to their name? Where are their lay reports months after their mind blowing bootcamps? Where are the majority of negative reviews? Did 95 percent have positive experiences, is that what we are to believe? These are questions you should ask yourself.
From my own experience I've probably seen about 60-70 percent of the top name PUA's on the West Coast, Canada, and even a few from overseas. I've seen some guys who were good and I've seen some top level guys who were no better than your average decent looking man in the club when it comes to interacting with women. But to the untrained eye they look like superstars.
Keep in mind that out of your top list of PUA's (the ones that are ranked every year) - most of them did not take a bootcamp. If you list the top well known guys in the community the majority of them did not attend a bootcamp! They learned through trial by fire with the exception of a few.
Here's some questions to ponder before taking a bootcamp:
What is the quality of the instructors? How long have they been involved in the community?
Is there a refund? How many positive reviews are there outside of their own forums? What is the skill level of the students months after the bootcamp (are they seeing much better results)
and is this something that you may be able to learn on your own without shelling out a few grand but companies seem to push the idea that you can't learn it without a bootcamp?
Now for me there was a point where for 3 months I said I would game no girls except 9's and 10's. Nothing less. And so I did and as a result I got laid by several 9's and 10's. It took a lot, there were flakes, blow outs, shutdowns but out of 28 women in a 3 month period I slept with 7. Ironically it's the same result I had with 6's, 7's and 8's. And this is without bootcamps or anything else with the exception of some creative routines I put together and a strong frame I embodied and having the balls to talk straight up to very attractive girls.
So the bottom line is a bootcamp may help the low man on the totem pole afc or someone totally new to game but for many others all that glitters isn't gold. I'm not saying you should take one or that you shouldn't; all I'm saying it know what you're getting into and realize that you may not always get out of it what you expect.
Now none of these guys are total AFC's which should tell you something. The other guys who went to the bootcamp were total AFC's so their hype of an experience is a result of being young and never having the experience of dating, being intimate with women or anything similar. The first couple of women that responded to them in a positive manner made them feel like Gods. But for my friends they had already been in relationships, dated or had fair success meeting women so there was nothing revolutionary about their bootcamps. By the way most of this happened in late 2006 and in 2007. Here are some of their comments I remember:
"The daytime was seminar and get to know you talk mainly over stuff you know if you read all the material and such; the night time we were told to go and talk to this set or that set and after every set you'll get a little feedback like you did X well, you should do more Y. My instructor didn't do any demo sets, he hung in the background and talked with another instructor and kind of observed."
"After seminars we got to the clubs and the approached sets. The instructor did one demo set that went okay but nothing more than the girls smiling, a little laughter and then he ejected. Some of us did well, some didn't. One guy was so scared that the instructor sent a girl over to talk to him. The next night he approached and had a few girls giggling and he was like Wow man this is amazing and I'm thinking like 'have you been in a cave for the past 22 years?' When you read a message board and there's always guys who seem clueless about every detail you realize they exist in real life and they do need help but for most of us it's standard bar and club night. I didn't get much out of it to be honest"
"Shit man the instructor just kept blabbing on and joking about where he was before he got in the community. I found out he was a newbie and AFC 6 months ago and now he's an instructor. His demo was horrible, like things you know not to do even if you aren't in the community. I kissed closed and # closed without applying most of what we learned, this was just from shit I knew from going out so much myself and with my friends. He stopped me after the night and said I should teach which I found flattering but man I forked out a few thousand, I wanted to learn how to take my game to another level. He had the other guys feeling like they were superheroes because 2 of the other guys were virgins but I'm feeling like I could've saved my money and upped my wardrobe. Think real hard before you fork over money for a bootcamp man because you may be just one step away from were these instructors are and you realize all you need is some balls. I am not joking!"
"Man I was thinking okay this is it! I wanted to do this for a long time so I could go back home and completely take over the nightlife in my city. Here I am taking a bootcamp with one of the elite companies after reading all of the great reviews and even seeing pics of cute girls. I remember I couldnt wait to get out of the class portion and go to the club. Fuck me if I was totally not blown away! Let me rephrase that man. It was a $3000 weekend to do the same stuff I had been doing before I took the bootcamp and that is go around, be social and talk to people, and start conversations with women. I couldn't wait to see the instructor do some gaming and they did. They also got blown out, one instructor had his HB9 that he was gaming taken by some big black guy that looked like Terrell Owens! Another instructor sat with some random guy and they did shots of tequila and kept singing dumb songs. It makes you realize that this whole guru talk is overrated, these guys are normal like you and I. I wasn't expecting them to take girlfriends from boyfriends, pull supermodels from alpha male sets or the likes but I was expecting to see something more than my instructor getting drunk or another one spending 30 minutes talking to a HB6 and twice getting the women he was gaming taking by some other guys. I don't know man, I learned a lot more from the negative than the positive experinces "
Those are a few less desirable comments from guys I talk too. Keep in mind that their experiences were deleted from the forums which brings up another point: Who are these guys who are having these amazing experiences? Why do the majority of them have less than 5 post to their name? Where are their lay reports months after their mind blowing bootcamps? Where are the majority of negative reviews? Did 95 percent have positive experiences, is that what we are to believe? These are questions you should ask yourself.
From my own experience I've probably seen about 60-70 percent of the top name PUA's on the West Coast, Canada, and even a few from overseas. I've seen some guys who were good and I've seen some top level guys who were no better than your average decent looking man in the club when it comes to interacting with women. But to the untrained eye they look like superstars.
Keep in mind that out of your top list of PUA's (the ones that are ranked every year) - most of them did not take a bootcamp. If you list the top well known guys in the community the majority of them did not attend a bootcamp! They learned through trial by fire with the exception of a few.
Here's some questions to ponder before taking a bootcamp:
What is the quality of the instructors? How long have they been involved in the community?
Is there a refund? How many positive reviews are there outside of their own forums? What is the skill level of the students months after the bootcamp (are they seeing much better results)
and is this something that you may be able to learn on your own without shelling out a few grand but companies seem to push the idea that you can't learn it without a bootcamp?
Now for me there was a point where for 3 months I said I would game no girls except 9's and 10's. Nothing less. And so I did and as a result I got laid by several 9's and 10's. It took a lot, there were flakes, blow outs, shutdowns but out of 28 women in a 3 month period I slept with 7. Ironically it's the same result I had with 6's, 7's and 8's. And this is without bootcamps or anything else with the exception of some creative routines I put together and a strong frame I embodied and having the balls to talk straight up to very attractive girls.
So the bottom line is a bootcamp may help the low man on the totem pole afc or someone totally new to game but for many others all that glitters isn't gold. I'm not saying you should take one or that you shouldn't; all I'm saying it know what you're getting into and realize that you may not always get out of it what you expect.
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